The Best printers in terms of quality
Best Laser Printer Shoot-out and other types of printers in review
Friday, December 15, 2006 by Draginol | Discussion: Printers
I have a problem. Okay, I have a lot of problems. But one of my problems is that I have a printer fetish. I like printers. Always have. I just like being able to print graphics and text and pictures onto a piece of paper. I acknowledge my problem. Few individuals have purchased as many printers as I have. I've owned dozens of printers over my 30+ years of life.
If you're like me, you go on-line to try to find out how good different printers are. But usually, the reviews suck. Some places will get them quality ratings of like 8.7. What the hell does that mean? Would it really be that hard to simply scan a picture in of your print out so we can look at it? That's what PC Magazine and PC World used to do (but don't seem to do it so much anymore). At least then we could look at it. Most of the "Reviews" I read on-line read like regurgitated media guides.
If your shopping for a printer on-line, the specs should matter. But they don't. Not really. Because DPI means nothing now. I have printers that claim 2400 dpi but look less impressive than 600dpi printers. The other issue which is rarely talked about is color accuracy. I find this extraordinarily frustrating that my print outs on various "good" printers tend to not be very accurate. And few reviews bother to even talk about it. It's not a review unless there's some subjective talk in it. And most reviews these days are on injkets. No offense but with injkets costing $200 and available at a store, how much advice do I really need from a reviewer? I can go to the store and see a printout of any reasonably popular injket. Thanks. It's on those higher end printers that we tend to want to hear some advice on. Okay, that's not really fair since most people are looking for injkets, but what about people who are looking for higher end printers?
And by higher end printers I'm talking about laser printers that do color. The first question I've always wanted the answer to is how good can laser printing get? I mean, if you pay enough, where is the cut off? Can I basically get a laser printer that can print a photo about as well or better than an injket (except be able to print 10 of them a minute rather than 1 every 3 minutes?).
The answer is yes. But you get into diminishing returns. This little article is to share my experiences at buying printers. From $100 injkets to $20,000 industrial printers. I told you, I have a problem.
Injkets
My current Injket of choice is the Canon i9900. It's outdated now. But the quality it produces is fantastic. It's not a terribly fast printer but it produces incredibly good output. My main beef with Inkjets is that they've slowly morphed into being photo printers. I'd like to see more injkets being made that produce great photo output (doesn't have to be godly good, I have a Canon photo printer for that!) but can reasonably be used for printing email and other documents at home or casually at work without thinking I just spent a buck in ink to do it. But right now it seems I can either get an inkjet with sub-par graphics output but is a practical casual multi-purpose printer or I can get something that will show every zit on my face in a photo print out.
I tend to also like Epson injket printers. But they tend to lag a bit beyond Canon in quality in my experience. Still, the Epson Stylus printers are very nice. Lexmark makes decent printers but they tend to be run of the mill. I won't buy HP printers at all for personal reasons -- their driver support during the Windows 2000 era really ticked me off and so I've avoided them since. I buy lots of other HP stuff and they do make good printers, I'm just still sore about the scanners and printers from the Windows 2000 era that they refused to update the drivers to work on back then.
The Main Event
Okay, injkets aren't really my main interest. Where I've gone on-line over the years is to find out just how good the high end printers really are. And that's where I've been disappointed. I get that injkets can produce photo quality output if you buy the right paper. Fine. Good. Understood. What about printers that can crank out 10 pages or more per minute?
Well...
Quality is a relative term. So I'm going to go with 3 different printers here.
Phaser 8500
The entry level Phaser 8500 (8400 shown but it's the same output). You can get these for starting at $500. Great printer at the price. Here's a sample of the output:
Not bad but somewhat muted. It's a solid ink printer and that's one of the gotchas with them in my experience. The colors tend to be a bit washed.
Xerox Phaser 8400DX
Oye. It's a bit fuzzy. I printed out my Christmas letter on one of these and the photos, while pretty decent, were definitely fuzzy. I'm pretty picky on this kind of thing, most casual users would think it's fine. One thing that annoys me about most reviews is that they print out the test page where they're alreayd optimized.
Now, on-line on PrinterShowcase.com they rated the quality as 8.5 (good). That's probably a reasonable rating. But it doesn't really tell you much. I do know that anything under the 8400 would be something I'd consider unacceptable for work use. At that point, it's just a casual printer for printing out "stuff" that just happens to be in color.
What I love about the Phaser 8x00 series is how easy they are to maintain. They're "solid ink" which means they're wax. You can eat the wax (not that you should but it's just kind of cool). You just plop in the wax blocks and off you go. Virtually no maintenance required. A true install and forget. I can't say enough nice things about the solid ink Phasers other than their quality of print is not something you'd want to use if graphics quality is a major factor in your decision.
Phaser 6300DN
The Phaser 6300DN is a regular injket printer. Like the 8500, it's a great product and great for office environments.
Impressive results but not noticebly better than the Xerox 8500. Moreover, I have noticed a tendancy to streak on out put. I notice faint banding here and there on it. The test pages show fine but I see it. Look really closely on the zoom in on the colored checker board and you'll see it too. It's also got a red-ish tint to the whole thing.
Xerox Phaser 6300DN
It is definitely sharper than the Xerox 8500. You can read the text and the colors are more accurate (the Phaser 8400's colors tend to be just way too muted for serious image work)
That said, right now the Phaser 6300DN is my favorite daily printer. It's incredibly fast and reliable. The banding issue is something I'm still a bit concerned about. And it's not as sharp as the 2400dpi specs lead you to believe. On Printer Show case it comes out with an 8.7 on quality. That is something I'd agree with. It's a tad better than the 8400/8500 in quality.
Now according to PrinterShowcase.com, the Ricoh C410 has the best quality output of any of the printers in their class with a 9.5 rating. But I don't have that printer so I can't really say. The 6300 is around $1300 . It's got marginally better quality than the 8500 which is significantly cheaper.
Canon CLC 1180
I do know the best printer I have is significantly better than these in quality and it's the Canon CLC 1180. But you pay a bundle. Anywhere from $15,000 to $20,000 depending on options. And you will need maintenance agreement because they are very temperamental and engineered like something out of a Dr. Seus cartoon. They are very VERY large. And it's technically listed as a photocopier but nowadays, it's all so blurred because of the multi-function nature of these things.
So how does it do on printing? Well, bear in mind its specs only claim 600dpi. That's important to remember because the lesson I've learned is the specs mean little. Number of colors matters a lot more and I suspect that is why this one is so much better. It's just got the ability to mix up a lot more colors.
Check out the results:
Canon CLC 1180
Even from the thumbnails you can tell it's significantly better in quality than the others. And those others are no slouches. But this is probably approaching the top end of what you're going to get with current (2006) printer technology. That isn't to say it's the best out there. The Xerox DocuColor 12 is in the same category as well and some have reported it being better. I can't say. I suspect I wouldn't have been able to get it new from Xerox at the price I got the CLC from Canon. In both cases, they're ancient ancient technology. They're just slowly getting cheaper. But they're both were old technologies 5 years ago but the quality is obvious.
So as far as I can tell you, this is about as good as they get above. You can see the progression in quality as you go up. Where you stop is up to you.
Reply #2 Friday, December 15, 2006 6:42 AM
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Reply #4 Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:54 AM
She keeps looking at printers at Wallmart (shudder) and looking by price (double shudder) not brand or anything else.
What would be a decent printer for colors and photo's ? ... keeping in mind that for us, speed and how many copies it can knock out per minute is not an issue. Quality is important, and for her, keeping the price reasonable is her big issue.
Reply #5 Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:47 AM
Reply #6 Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:04 AM
It printed about 10 pages a minute for text only. Kinda slow maybe but it was great for me.
I'm having a lot of problems with banding now and no matter how many times I do a cleaning, nozzle check or change cartridges it doesn't go away. I didn't realize how bad it had gotten until I saw a photo I printed out a year ago.
I can't seem to find one to replace it as neatly as I'd like. A lot of the printers now seem to be all-in-one deals. I hate all in ones. One thing always gets wonky and then to get one thing fixed means you do without something not broken.
I had my eye of a canon pixus pro 9500 until I found out that it was $700. I also couldn't find a corresponding English driver on the Canon USA site. I downloaded the Japanese character set to my window xp but if I install a Japanese program I often get incorrect characters (usually a line of question marks). A Mac user told me that I could run both english and Japanese programs on a Mac (sold here) no problem. It becomes tempting if true.
I also like to read reviews and buyers' guides before going into a shop because I can't really read the Japanese pamphlets well enough to know what they're on about. I have to agree that they don't really give a lot of information that doesn't feel like an add.
Reply #7 Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:00 AM
But as more and more of our photos are digital these days, I appreciate the points in this article. There are definitely things I'm going to have to consider for our next purchase.
Reply #8 Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:39 PM
Interesting article, but I personally find reviews of printers to be somewhat like advertisements (on my television) for other TVs -- if I'm looking at the image on a washed out TV image here, won't I be looking at what is supposed to be a premium image that is just as distorted?
The same holds for print mags or online publications that are showing scans of output from various printers. They can try to show me the results, but if the color is off on my monitor, or the image on my monitor is fuzzy because of low specifications and resolution, then I'm gonna get a false impression of the images. If I pick up a printed magazine, then the same really applies as the output in the printed copy is only as good as the equipment, processes, and skill and handiwork that went into producing the output -- not just what the quality is of the device.
I guess what I'm saying is that I sympathize a bit with the folks writing the reviews as they're trying to convey their impressions of something that is primarily a visual medium. It's not an easy task.
Reply #9 Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:29 PM
The way I choose a good "work" printer is by comparing the ink cartridges......cost & volume of ink (price per page). I've seen several "great deals" where you could get a quality printer for like $99 but if you check what the price per cartridge is and how much ink they hold, they end up being anything but a bargain. A couple years ago my mother bought an Epson that had pretty good output but it required 4 - $45 cartridges to operate....no wonder it only cost $99
Reply #10 Monday, December 18, 2006 7:45 PM
Epson that had pretty good output but it required 4 - $45 cartridges to operate....no wonder it only cost $99 |
I hear that. I have an Epson R200. It's just okay, but costs an arm and a leg to keep printing. It's a 5 color printer plus black, with each color costing about $15 and black costing a few bucks more. Ouch. Plus as a design major, I have to print out high quality copies a few times a week.
I end up paying more for ink than I would for a new set of oil paints and brushes every week.
Reply #11 Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:31 AM
I just purchased a printer for my son for Christmas and HP was the only printer I even considered because we've had such great luck with them. I have an HP Lazer Printer at the office that has been very faithful to me for years. I work in a CPA office and this printer has been very busy but no problems even years later. In fact I can't even remember what we had before....thinking Epson.
I also have an inkjet photo HP photo printer here I got with my camera about three years or so with no probs. So I guess I'm hooked on the HP printers but am very satisfied with Dell for my laptop so don't think I'd switch to an HP computer anytime soon.
Thanks for the info.
Reply #12 Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:40 AM
Now, after only 2 black ink cartridges (about 120 bucks each) and 7,325 print "faces" later, I still love it!
Color quality is good, but black is where it's at. It's basically unbeatable on crispness on black.
I'm sure glad I scraped together enough money from college fund and some money from job I had back then to get one. It saved me enough to buy 5 more of same machines by now. Why? Inkjets is at more or less 50 cents per page. This printers at about 5 cents per page. With 7325 papers it's 366.25 bucks. Inkjet? Let's see... 3662.5 bucks. That's 5 2300DL printers in today's new price.
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Reply #14 Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:42 AM
My first 'real' printer was a Canon BJC7000 ....back in the days when they were parrallel port thingies....slow as a wet week but made back when plastic was REAL plastic. I still have it...and still use it [quite a few] years later. More recently I added another...a Canon Pixma IP3000 ...really crappy plastic build [in comparison] ...but does its job more than sufficiently....fast, quiet and good prints. With the capacity to print labels directly to CD/DVDs it's all I need, and the 7000 is relegated to lowly text printing these days...
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Reply #1 Friday, December 15, 2006 5:26 AM
Excellent article
I don't do a lot of printing, so have never been prepared to spend too much money. As a photographer however, I do require decent print quality.
Earlier this year, with that in mind, I switched from Epson to a HP 8450. The deciding factor for me was the latter's ability to print almost flawless B&W prints, something most printers find difficult.
I'm not impressed with all the crud HP tend to install along with the driver, spending quite some time in msconfig stopping things starting with Windows, but I cannot fault the print quality. The other plus' for me are the low cost per print and the fact the head is on the cartridge; my Epson was a real pain for getting blocked heads and costing a fortune in ink to clean.
If I did more printing I'd probably have to look again, but for the printing I do I'm pleased with what I have. The cost v quality ratio of my HP is just about right.