DesktopX Weather Widget Issues - Read This

Friday, July 10, 2009 by Island Dog | Discussion: OS Customization

As many of you know from reading the forums over the past couple of days, that weather feeds being pulled in from DesktopX created widgets/objects have stopped working.  To make a short story even shorter, TWC has shown a requirement put upon all widget creators and users, and anyone else accessing their data to abide by new and quite specific demands/rules.  This goes for anyone using the feeds, not just WinCustomize users.

If you want to continue to use TWC weather feeds you will need to abide by their new rules, which includes a requirement to place a logo and links back to them.  Several DX coders including sViz and Vad_M have been posting new feeds, and some code fixes to help others fix their weather objects. 

An ongoing thread from sViz can be found here:

Which ever new weather feeds creators decide to use, they need to make sure they also abide by any rules or guideline imposed by the originating feed provider.

Starting Monday, July 20th, we will start removing broken weather widgets from the WinCustomize galleries that have not been updated and/or violate any ToS/ToU in regards to weather feeds. The WC moderators are going to keep a close eye on the DesktopX queues so that updates will be pushed through as soon as possible.  When updating a current skin, please be sure to make a note in the description that it has been updated with a new weather feed.  If authors are do not have a copy of their widgets and are not able to retrieve them from Wincustomize, they are available by request to an admin.

We understand this has caused quite a stir, but this is nothing that can be easily fixed as it’s an issue that is not in Stardock’s nor WinCustomize’s hands.  Please keep an eye on the forums for updates from DX coders who are looking at alternative solutions.

Regards,

Spencer
WC Admin

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neophil78
Reply #201 Monday, July 13, 2009 8:56 AM

neophil78: Using weather.com feed is not "free", you have to show promotional links and the TWC logo. Getting a redistributable license which would bypass the promo links/update interval restrictions is probably going to cost Stardock a lot of money (which they will have to get somewhere), if it's even available to third parties.

Well, though it might be to know how much it will cost

Note that getting a license for your company allowing you to redistribute widgets is different from one that allows sub-licensing to third-parties.

Stardock would be the company and skinners are doing widgets for the company Stardock

It's the same for most other weather providers BTW. A lot of them do not allow commercial use without first acquiring a license (some with specific restrictions, some with actual money).

Though, there will be no solution. End of story. 

sViz
Reply #202 Monday, July 13, 2009 9:02 AM

neophil78

It's always easy when people do things FOR you


I say it again, it would be much more simple if Stardock would obtain a license / permission from WTC which can be used by all skinners, than if each skinner has to do it (it would be a step in the right direction) especially, if license / permission is free as it seems to be

Why turning the problem in every way, searching other solutions using other weather services  when everything is already working fine with weather.com (there will be just the ID and KEY to add in "solid" in existing scripts   )

The bottomline is, though, TWC does not want anyone accessing their feeds without a license.  Lets say they offer SD a license and let's say SD creates a template that uses a universal key and ID so skinners/users don't have to get one. Unless SD can come up with a way to secure the id and key and disallow unlicensed access to the weather data/code of the widget (i.e. gadgetizing it) TWC will not be happy. And if SD gadgetizes the widget (as they do with Accuweather, as Julynessi did with his Accuweather, and as Martin did with his full Desknotes gadget with Weatherbug support,) then the skinners will not be happy as they can't modify anything.

So it's back to the drawing board: A. a widget where everyone gets a license key and id, skinners can modify it, and TWC is happy that everyone must become a licensee before accessing the weather data or  B. Find another source.

A. Is done. 

B. Is in the works.

C, let Stardock do it, is not the only viable solution. We search for other solutions because we are capable of doing so, and frankly, because getting stuck with one weather provider (who 'burned' us once) isn't a practical long-term solution; there should always be variety in life. It may not be the quickest, most expedient route, but I think it's well worth the effort.

I understand it's a frustrating situation to wade through, believe me, but it's the hand that's been dealt and we just have to deal with it.

Lemonade out of lemons and all that.

bilbo1930
Reply #203 Monday, July 13, 2009 9:19 AM



A. Is done. 

Yep, A works, thanks for that sViz!

..just noticed: If you have TWC ID and key, to use xoap..

that will allow you to see ONLY 4 (5) Day's forecast..not a full 10 day's like before...

 

Jafo
Reply #204 Monday, July 13, 2009 9:28 AM

Guys, girls....listen quite closely to sViz.  Hers is the 'good oil' and is apparently almost the only skinner here who understands the situation.

Stardock obtaining a licence will assuredly result in a closed script that is an end product NOT accessible to third party skinners.

The only kind of likely contractual situation would be the end-product distribution of a widget directly to the user.  A skinner would be outside of that loop and would still require their own contract to create/distribute their own widgets that also use the feed.

Or...

As sViz mentions in option 'A' the skinner creates his widget in accordance with the requirements of the feed supplier [no matter who] and the end user obtains the licence/permission to access the feed.

'B' has NEVER NOT been an option.

RedneckDude
Reply #205 Monday, July 13, 2009 1:44 PM

Guys, girls....listen quite closely to sViz. Hers is the 'good oil' and is apparently almost the only skinner here who understands the situation.

Hey, read my posts...lol.  

RedneckDude
Reply #206 Monday, July 13, 2009 1:46 PM

A. Is done.

Where is it? Did I miss something?

sViz
Reply #207 Monday, July 13, 2009 1:57 PM

RedneckDude

A. Is done.


Where is it? Did I miss something?

Beta-testing round 2 is coming soon; you'll get a PM. Also tying up a few loose ends for the full release.

ROBERT HULLIHEN
Reply #208 Monday, July 13, 2009 11:33 PM
CAN I ASK JUST ONE QUESTION,PLEASE.....JUST TELL ME HOW I CAN GET RID OF THE INVALID ZIP ADDRESS ERROR MESSAGE..NOTHING ALLOWS ME TO EDIT THE SCRIPT..SO DO I HAVE TO DELETE ALL MY DX'S? IS THERE A WAY TO SAVE THEM AND JUST DELETE THE WEATHER FEED? COME ON.. CAN SOME ONE CORRECT THE PROBLEM. I'AM A SUBSCRIBER AND PURCHASED OBJECT DX AND THEMES MY SUBSCRIBTION IS DUE AND WAS THINKING OF UPGRADING OBJECT DESKTOP.
RedneckDude
Reply #209 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:30 AM

CAN I ASK JUST ONE QUESTION,PLEASE.....JUST TELL ME HOW I CAN GET RID OF THE INVALID ZIP ADDRESS ERROR MESSAGE..NOTHING ALLOWS ME TO EDIT THE SCRIPT..SO DO I HAVE TO DELETE ALL MY DX'S? IS THERE A WAY TO SAVE THEM AND JUST DELETE THE WEATHER FEED? COME ON.. CAN SOME ONE CORRECT THE PROBLEM. I'AM A SUBSCRIBER AND PURCHASED OBJECT DX AND THEMES MY SUBSCRIBTION IS DUE AND WAS THINKING OF UPGRADING OBJECT DESKTOP.

At the moment you have two options. You can sign up free at weather.com for an I.D.# and Key, then put it into the script as follows: https://forums.wincustomize.com/358753

Or, you can delete them all and redownload when this is fixed. Mine are being fixed now and are in the gallery with no weather.

Or a 3rd choice would be, if you are good with DX, just go into builder mode and delete the weather parts, all of them, then your themes will run. But you must load DX with you internet connection turned off so you don't get the errors. After removal of weather parts, you can reconnect.

Sorry, but right now, that is all I have.

You can find working DX Themes here: http://redneckdude.wincustomize.com

neophil78
Reply #210 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:51 AM

Or a 3rd choice would be, if you are good with DX, just go into builder mode and delete the weather parts, all of them, then your themes will run. But you must load DX with you internet connection turned off so you don't get the errors. After removal of weather parts, you can reconnect.

No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

bilbo1930
Reply #211 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:39 AM



No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

Yep, just use what neophil said

RedneckDude
Reply #212 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:51 PM

No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

But is this a legal solution? Is it approved by Stardock mods?

Lantec
Reply #213 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:01 PM

But is this a legal solution? Is it approved by Stardock mods?

NOT for widget/theme/gadget makers (uploaders) but what someone does on his own computer is up to the individual.

RedneckDude
Reply #214 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:17 PM

NOT for widget/theme/gadget makers (uploaders) but what someone does on his own computer is up to the individual.

That's what I thought, thanx!

ROBERT HULLIHEN
Reply #215 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:02 PM
thanks much for all the input..went to TWC web site and downloaded their free download, took about 5 mins. and got a lot of free stuff..plus my dx's all work.. for me this was the answer...so easy..thanks again.
RedneckDude
Reply #216 Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:08 AM

thanks much for all the input..went to TWC web site and downloaded their free download, took about 5 mins. and got a lot of free stuff..plus my dx's all work.. for me this was the answer...so easy..thanks again.

Really? I didn't get nuttin free except my numbers...lol. 

Littleboy
Reply #217 Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:05 AM

Really? I didn't get nuttin free except my numbers...lol.

In the email, there is a link to the SDK. It's only the TOS in pdf form along with all the weather images. Nothing special really (and no proper XML feed documentation for sure, almost as bad as Weather Underground).

Doubird
Reply #218 Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:13 AM

Just a thought:

Any artists that do not want to update thier own widgets to conform to weather.com's terms that Wincustomize has to respect could always grant permission to other artists to update them instead.  Those artists could put in stipulations to give credit to the original artists or even approval before submission.
I don't know yet what solution will be approved but I do not mind if people wish to update my widgets, in fact I would be grateful. I am not very good at understanding scripts and coding so any help would be great. I just want the weather widgets to continue to function and to keep on making them.

HazardPay
Reply #219 Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:10 PM
This whole thing would have been a lot eaiser if the "something for nothing" crowd would have stayed out. I do not understand why it is that when something screws up, the so called customer is owed a lifetime of riches in return, and I mean RIGHT NOW! It's like they skulk in the shadows just waiting for human error, then WHAM here's a ripple in the smooth flow of things, you OWE ME. Authors, as I understand it all you have to do in the week is download it. Then fix it when you can and re-post it. Customers who feel they are OWED something. When you reach a point in life where you NEVER have something unexpected happen, and NEVER make a mistake, then moan about appoligies and what you are owed. If you are not perfect in your own life, do not expect to gain because someone else isn't.
gef
Reply #220 Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:01 PM

Authors, as I understand it all you have to do in the week is download it.

If by 'it' you mean 120+ DesktopX themes, 6 years work, then you are right.

By the way, I am not complaining.

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