DesktopX Weather Widget Issues - Read This
Friday, July 10, 2009 by Island Dog | Discussion: OS Customization
As many of you know from reading the forums over the past couple of days, that weather feeds being pulled in from DesktopX created widgets/objects have stopped working. To make a short story even shorter, TWC has shown a requirement put upon all widget creators and users, and anyone else accessing their data to abide by new and quite specific demands/rules. This goes for anyone using the feeds, not just WinCustomize users.
If you want to continue to use TWC weather feeds you will need to abide by their new rules, which includes a requirement to place a logo and links back to them. Several DX coders including sViz and Vad_M have been posting new feeds, and some code fixes to help others fix their weather objects.
An ongoing thread from sViz can be found here:
Which ever new weather feeds creators decide to use, they need to make sure they also abide by any rules or guideline imposed by the originating feed provider.
Starting Monday, July 20th, we will start removing broken weather widgets from the WinCustomize galleries that have not been updated and/or violate any ToS/ToU in regards to weather feeds. The WC moderators are going to keep a close eye on the DesktopX queues so that updates will be pushed through as soon as possible. When updating a current skin, please be sure to make a note in the description that it has been updated with a new weather feed. If authors are do not have a copy of their widgets and are not able to retrieve them from Wincustomize, they are available by request to an admin.
We understand this has caused quite a stir, but this is nothing that can be easily fixed as it’s an issue that is not in Stardock’s nor WinCustomize’s hands. Please keep an eye on the forums for updates from DX coders who are looking at alternative solutions.
Regards,
Spencer
WC Admin
Reply #142 Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:49 AM
I have just uploaded themes that have had their weather object converted as shown in section 3a by neophil78. The weather objects now work perfectly but for some reason were rejected.
I also worked most of the night changing all my Master themes so that they also work perfectly.
As this method states :
- This hardcodes NOTHING and the widget goes fine
- If all goes okay (and it will), you can now export the widget again.
Anyone understand this ??
Reply #143 Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:55 AM
I used neophil78 's system to sort out a couple of widgets on my computer and worked perfectly.
This is fine as it's my computer and I can do what I like with it.
However from what I have read you cannot use this way to correct widgets and upload here.
Widgets here now have to be correct to Weather suppliers TOS so must include logo and links.
Reply #144 Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:23 AM
This is true! But seems I have no more desire to share anything on WC after what I've seen and heared here during last days. This work has totally lost a sence for me...
Reply #145 Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:36 AM
- This hardcodes NOTHING and the widget goes fine
- If all goes okay (and it will), you can now export the widget again.
Anyone understand this ??
Gef: u want use neophil's suggested method?
This is true! But seems I have no more desire to share anything on WC after what I've seen and heared here during last days. This work has totally lost a sence for me...
This is very sad news... ]
Reply #146 Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:07 AM
This place already seen the much more significant events like loss Tiggs, Martin, Night Train and a lot of other famous people. What means a few widgets from one ukrainian guy for so Global Project like WC? Just NOTHING! (By the way this looks like in our scripts when we want to clear memory! Seems it's time to clear this memory page)...
So this is not a sad news. This is just a logical conclusion of a long way named "The place of my DesktopX understanding". And now you may trust me - I understood all!
Reply #147 Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:41 AM
Yeah I see... But I say again: This is very sad news..
I'm your "neighbour".. in Hungary..
have some Ukrainian "friends".. good peoples..
We are all loss, when our elders (masters/coders/skinners) went pack and left out...
Reply #148 Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:05 AM
Really!
I'm surprised over some of the drama shown here. My understanding is that people attain the rank of MASTER by being a leader and mentor in the community.
This is the time for the "pioneers" of coding/skinning to step up and come up with solutions (like a few are doing) not to point fingers and leave in a huff!
This attitude saddens me more than anything else.
Reply #149 Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:15 AM
well said.
Reply #150 Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:47 AM
Yes! But this is very funny! Show me at least one "pioneer" who can produce new codes and I'll be happy. At this moment I'm seeing only two persons who tries work on a new scripts - sViz and Littleboy. That's all and they are not pioneers. Do you really think that this is enough for so large community? Good luck.
EDIT: Sorry I forgot HAPTORK. But this does not change the final result...
I will not leave this place right now. I just stop all projects and will wait for a new version of DesktopX. Then I will take the final decision...
Reply #151 Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:49 AM
BTW i still didn't see any conditions rules using the xml instead of xoap
If someone can give a link on these eventual conditions rules it would be fine
Reply #152 Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:23 AM
Seems kind of extreme to me. You make some of the most creative DX stuff out there, why stop and leave because of this issue with a weather widget that I'm confident will be corrected in short time?
Reply #153 Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:42 AM
I don't think it is extreme. In my case I will have over 100 themes deleted - 6 years work.
Also, I tried to update themes because of this issue but unfortunately, I missundersttod what is required so those themes are now impossible to update again because they are not there to update.
Reply #154 Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:38 AM
Dear ID,
There was many reason for this. Just a situation around Weather Widgets was the last straw which "overflowed the cup of my patience"...
1. Remember the Maxton Contest and starnge drop the rating of my skin from 10 (which kept about 2 months!) to 6 exactly before the end of this contest. This can not be true...
I'm very modest person who don't need a fame. And I don't need any prizes or gifts from WC. I just want to say that the Rules of any Contests must be very transparent and honest. Otherwise I lose my interest to take part in these actions and never more will repeat this.
2. Look at the results of selling my Master Skins. Did you really think that a few years of my life may cost so little? The people who downloads the beta preview around 100 times per day with a lot of bugs (that rated to 10 by the way). But they don't like the full versions (without any bugs) which was rated to 7 and 8! This is absurd and I'm not ready to continue it.
3. I wrote a big letter to Zu with all of my thoughts about TWC TOS. If we begin to strictly observe the rules let's ask to people: "How the hell you create your skins?" Did you really have the legal copy of Photoshop (which cost around $700 by the way)? Or: "Did you have the legal copy of SkinStudio or DesktopX PRO?" There are a lot of the similar questions that have no answers...
4. I'm not a skinner. No doubt I can make any skins (buy the way my copy of Photoshop and of a few other Graphic Redactors are totally legal!) but it doesn't interesting for me. Any skin without coding is only the dead set of images. And only through the using of scripts, you can breathe a life into your creation! But when I hear that I couldn't edit new AccuWeather plugin because of some TOS(s) I finally lose my interest even take it in my hands.
And finally I'm so tired during the all these years that I want to relax a bit. Hope I have a right to do this...
Reply #155 Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:58 AM
Out of curiosity, is 'ACCUWEATHER' as used by Objectdock also not to be used?
Reply #156 Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:34 AM
Gef (and neophil) . . the work-around in 2a of sViz's thread is a fix for end users. It is NOT a solution for authors. The XMLreturned clearly shows that there is a licesne and copyright in place as you can see here http://xml.weather.com/weather/local/48375.
<!--
This document is intended only for use by authorized licensees of The
-->
<!--
Weather Channel. Unauthorized use is prohibited. Copyright 1995-2009,
-->
<!--
The Weather Channel Interactive, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
-->
<weather ver="2.0">
<head>
<locale>en_US</locale>
<form>MEDIUM</form>
<ut>F</ut>
<ud>mi</ud>
<us>mph</us>
<up>in</up>
<ur>in</ur>
</head>
<loc id="48375">
<dnam>Novi, MI (48375)</dnam>
<tm>10:30 AM</tm>
<lat>42.46</lat>
<lon>-83.46</lon>
<sunr>6:08 AM</sunr>
<suns>9:11 PM</suns>
<zone>-4</zone>
</loc>
</weather>
Any author using the XML feed will have to abide by the weather.com ToS
I have updated the Fix thread to make sure that point is clear.
Reply #157 Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:11 AM
I have updated the Fix thread to make sure that point is clear.
Thank you for clearing that but you state:
"These fixes are NOT for gadgets, as gadgets can not be modified. If your weather gadget isn't working, discontinue use and contact the author to inform them of the problem. These fixes are for end-users only."
We all know what the problem is - we honestly don't need contacting about it.
Reply #158 Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:23 AM
Reply #159 Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:45 PM
Here's the complete Terms off use
http://www.weather.com/common/home/legal.html
... and as far as i can understand, any kind of use of the service has to be priory authorized directly by WTC, it's not only a question of logo and link to them, that means (i think) that each skinner have to get the WTC permission to do what he wants to do, widgets or so
Reply #160 Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:52 PM
I also worked most of the night changing all my Master themes so that they also work perfectly.
As this method states :
- This hardcodes NOTHING and the widget goes fine
- If all goes okay (and it will), you can now export the widget again.
Anyone understand this ??
Gef, allowing a weather widget that don't conform to the feed owner's TOS would be parallel to allowing rips to be posted in the galleries. No difference at all.
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Reply #141 Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:03 AM
I've been reading the posts for the problem concerning the weather widgets and from what I read, there is a way for creators to fix their widgets so that they can re-submit them. I would not mind fixing all my widgets so that they can stay on wincustomize... so what I need is help from someone to show me how to do this or fix one of mine, then I could see how and do the same for my others. Thanks
Note:
I do understand all the arguments given so far and also those who will not wish to fix their widgets or include them in their themes because no one likes to be forced to add links or logos to their creations, so I respect everyone. But like most people who love the widgets, we do hope that the creators find a way to keep creating and sharing their work because that is why we all come here for.
Take care everyone, and don't give up.
Trudy