Ready for Windows 11 24H2
Stardock Software is ready for the Windows 11 24H2 release
Tuesday, October 1, 2024 by BradSams | Discussion: Software Blog
Microsoft announced today that the company has started rolling out the long-awaited Windows 11 update that introduces some new AI features. Like many of the previous second-half releases, this includes some fundamental changes to how Windows operates.
For the past few months, Stardock has been diligently evaluating our applications like Start11 v2 and Fences 5 to make sure that they are fully functional with these changes. You may have noticed that we have been shipping more updates recently, while not always directly related to 24H2, it was part of our effort to make sure that when the new Windows release hits your device, your applications are ready.
And this includes Groupy 2 as well, which has one additional fix that addresses some text clarity when used in conjunction with File Explorer – you can find this new release in the beta channel.
Microsoft has an extensive post detailing what is new but many of the updates relate to new AI features detailed below:
- Click to Do – Microsoft’s answer to “Circle to Search”, this feature is part of snipping tool that allows you to select items in an image or text and turn it into a search query, blur backgrounds, erase objects and extract text.
- Recall – The controversial feature that makes it easier to find what was open on your desktop will start testing with ARM-based devices this month and Intel/AMD devices next month; Microsoft is also overhauling the security and storage of this feature.
- Photos – A new “Super resolution” feature lets you upscale any image with the power of AI.
And there is a lot more to this release than AI tools including an improved security baseline and additional improvements to the update process. While the consumer features will grab all the headlines, it's these under-the-hood updates that will continue to improve the OS to be more resilient and reliable.
Our ability to make sure our applications are ready for new builds of Windows is thanks to our community. With 24H2, we frequently run our applications through various testing flows with each Insider release, but nothing truly beats the feedback we receive from readers like you. Many of the new additions to our applications are based directly from the feedback we receive, if you haven’t joined yet, you can find us on Discord and in our forums.
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Reply #22 Friday, October 4, 2024 2:04 AM
Start 11 v2 is working perfectly fine for me on 24h2. I have tested it on both the latest release channel and even the dev channel without issue.
Reply #23 Friday, October 4, 2024 3:24 AM
Well fuck it then, were are reporting it because we have so much free time right?
My Windows is 11 Pro 24H2 OS 26100 1882 as other users and my fences v5.84 & start 11 v2.11 ( using w10 style menu )
Surely there must be a dump file or anything preveting it to load properly.
Already tried clean uninstall with revo, rebooted and new installations with same error.
PS: all drivers are up to date ( including newest amd adrenalin with AFMF 2 support )
Reply #24 Friday, October 4, 2024 3:48 AM
Okay... here it is from the top. I didn't really want to mention SAB and EP on a competitors forum, but it seemed more important to do so.
I was using SAB with EP. In SAB's start menu section you can turn off "use enhanced classic start menu". I tried it because I don't like the Win 7 style start menu. Turning this setting off gave me a Win 10 start menu through Explorer Patcher's settings. All the other settings in SAB were available. After the update to 24h2 this didn't work anymore. I had the fugly Windows 11 start menu. When I turned on the enhanced classic start menu setting I had a Windows 7 style menu. Which I didn't really want.
I decided to try Start11 again. I uninstalled both SAB and EP. I had version 2.0.3. It didn't work and I got the latest update. It didn't work. I uninstalled them and downloaded the latest version and it didn't work. And yes, there were many reboots. And for no apparent reason other than I have nothing better to do, I even tried it as a trial. I had an issue with Start 11 not liking my license number with v1 many moons ago. So there it is.
I have uninstalled Start11 for now and I'm back using SAB and the Win 7 style start menu. I haven't reinstalled EP. I probably will at some point.
Edit: I thought I'd look at Windows Event viewer and I found more than one instance of this:
And there are similar events for SAB. Maybe this will mean something to someone out there.
Reply #25 Friday, October 4, 2024 4:24 AM
kwagraphics and LLkoskaa, could you run winver and post your machine stats? Also, I wouldn't reinstall SAB nor EP.
Have you rolled back 24H2?
Reply #26 Friday, October 4, 2024 4:33 AM
kwagraphics and LLkoskaa, could you run winver and post your machine stats? Also, I wouldn't reinstall SAB nor EP.
Have you rolled back 24H2?
Here it is again
Edition Windows 11 Pro
Version 24H2
Installed on 10/2/2024
OS build 26100.1882
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.26100.23.0
I don't see any other info, in fact not as much info using winver.exe.
I have reinstalled SAB because I need a start menu I can actually use. I haven't reinstalled EP. Since it isn't helping with anything right now, I'm not going to.
And I posted a couple of screen shots from event viewer showing there is a problem. There are similar events for SAB if you need to see them.
I have not rolled back to 23h2. I still have a few days before I'm committed (maybe I should be committed) to using 24h2.
Reply #27 Friday, October 4, 2024 4:47 AM
I have the latest drivers. I'm very diligent about that. After every update I check for new drivers and I always back up the current drivers, just incase there's an issue and I need to go back to a previous version.
Thanks for your help.
Just a little fyi. I was using StartAllBack because there's a setting on the start menu screen, "use enhanced classic start menu", that I turned off. With Explorer Patcher I was able to use a Windows 10 style start menu. I've been happy with that.
But that doesn't work either after the 24h2 update. SAB does give me a windows 7 style start menu. I'm just not happy with it.
Just as a test, please try test it inside Windows Sandbox: https://forums.stardock.com/505872/start11-support-faq#windowssandbox. Try it and report back.
Note: I just updated my Windows 11 24H2 (OS Build 26100.1882) and I still don't see the issue. As a reference, I am running without StartAllBack and ExplorerPatcher, for I don't really think these application compatible with Start11 as all of them change how Explorer/StartMenu/taskbar work.
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
I uninstalled Explorer Patcher. I installed Start11, rebooted and took this screen shot...
Something else might be blocking Start11, have you tried updating the drives as mentioned by Doc in reply#10?
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
I was looking through the thread and saw you requested I use sandbox. I didn't see that earlier. I've never used it before. I'm working on it.
Reply #28 Friday, October 4, 2024 5:41 AM
I was looking through the thread and saw you requested I use sandbox. I didn't see that earlier. I've never used it before. I'm working on it.
Yes please test it in Sandbox and try not to install those other 3rd party software first.
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
Reply #29 Friday, October 4, 2024 5:43 AM
Okay, got sandbox set up and Start11 works with it. As does the way I had SAB and EP set up to give me a win 10 start menu.
I've beem racking my brain trying to figure out what could be causing this problem.
I use Power Toys just for finding the mouse. Not using any other feature from it.
I have Display Fusion but I don't let it modify the taskbar. I went through the settings and can't see anything that would be a problem. It doesn't do anything to the start menu. It does manage the lock screen image.
I do have WinAeroTweaker. I've uninstalled it and will have to reboot. I couldn't see any setting that would be causing an issue, but I'll find out after I reboot.
And sandbox was just so bad for my eyes. Since I can't activate it I can't change to the dark theme. I need eye surgery (can't have it till I turn 65 cause I can't pay for it) and all that bright white really caused me a lot of pain and I can't see squat now. But I digress. Time to reboot and see what happens.
I have the latest drivers. I'm very diligent about that. After every update I check for new drivers and I always back up the current drivers, just incase there's an issue and I need to go back to a previous version.
Thanks for your help.
Just a little fyi. I was using StartAllBack because there's a setting on the start menu screen, "use enhanced classic start menu", that I turned off. With Explorer Patcher I was able to use a Windows 10 style start menu. I've been happy with that.
But that doesn't work either after the 24h2 update. SAB does give me a windows 7 style start menu. I'm just not happy with it.
Just as a test, please try test it inside Windows Sandbox: https://forums.stardock.com/505872/start11-support-faq#windowssandbox. Try it and report back.
Note: I just updated my Windows 11 24H2 (OS Build 26100.1882) and I still don't see the issue. As a reference, I am running without StartAllBack and ExplorerPatcher, for I don't really think these application compatible with Start11 as all of them change how Explorer/StartMenu/taskbar work.
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
I uninstalled Explorer Patcher. I installed Start11, rebooted and took this screen shot...
Something else might be blocking Start11, have you tried updating the drives as mentioned by Doc in reply#10?
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
I was looking through the thread and saw you requested I use sandbox. I didn't see that earlier. I've never used it before. I'm working on it.
Reply #30 Friday, October 4, 2024 5:58 AM
I was looking through the thread and saw you requested I use sandbox. I didn't see that earlier. I've never used it before. I'm working on it.
Yes please test it in Sandbox and try not to install those other 3rd party software first.
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
I uninstalled WinAeroTweaker and rebooted, installed Start11 and it still doesn't work.
Reply #32 Friday, October 4, 2024 6:53 AM
Well I found a solution that got my old start menu back just the way I left it!
Some time ago (probably over a year ago) I tried WindHawk. I uninstalled it. It just seemed a bit much for me.
Well, I installed it and am using the Windows Start-Menu styler (for Windows 24h2) with Explorer Patcher set to use the Windows 10 start menu. Clicked on my start menu and it was there!
And there are a few settings in SAB that I like so I reinstalled it as well and turned off the "use enhanced classic start menu" so EP can give me the Windows 10 start menu.
I'm surprised this worked and that I figured it out. Why it's working is beyond me. I've never been so glad to see my start menu!
Reply #33 Friday, October 4, 2024 12:06 PM
Thank you for the info on how to upload images.
Going back to my issue after upgrading to Windows 11 Pro 24H2 where my start buttons are compressed in size, I am posting two images that demonstrate how the image is supposed to look, vs how it looks now.
Just FYI, I have tried this across the board regarding multiple WindowBlind themes from multiple creators, and over multiple years. All of the results are the same; the start buttons are compressed in size.
And since it was asked of others my OS and Build Number is Windows 11 Pro 24H2 OS Build:26100.1882
The first image is of my desktop currently. It shows the compressed start button. Compare how the start button appears to the second image which is taken from a preview of a WindowBlind theme made by Lightstar that was just released yesterday.
Reply #34 Friday, October 4, 2024 9:13 PM
Thank you for the info on how to upload images.
Going back to my issue after upgrading to Windows 11 Pro 24H2 where my start buttons are compressed in size, I am posting two images that demonstrate how the image is supposed to look, vs how it looks now.
Just FYI, I have tried this across the board regarding multiple WindowBlind themes from multiple creators, and over multiple years. All of the results are the same; the start buttons are compressed in size.
And since it was asked of others my OS and Build Number is Windows 11 Pro 24H2 OS Build:26100.1882
The first image is of my desktop currently. It shows the compressed start button. Compare how the start button appears to the second image which is taken from a preview of a WindowBlind theme made by Lightstar that was just released yesterday.
I checked, but on my system the Start button look normal to me. I don't have the theme your tested on, so I can't do direct comparison, but, I tried "The Raven" by Vampothika, which have quite a big start button, and it look normal size to me on my Windows 11 v24h2. Refer screenshot below. Moving forward, it is best to create your own thread on this issue so that it don't get confuse with other posts. And we will try to help you from there.
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
Reply #35 Saturday, October 5, 2024 4:50 AM
I haved rolled back ofc to 23H2 , since im only using your products and its not working start 11 with 24H2.
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Reply #36 Saturday, October 5, 2024 7:01 AM
Hello,
For all that have issue with Stardock Software product on Windows v24H2 recent update. It is best to create your own new thread so we can help your issue individually in those thread.
Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant
Reply #37 Saturday, October 5, 2024 7:29 AM
I will.
What i posted is this helpful or not.
What more do you need to ask me.
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Reply #21 Thursday, October 3, 2024 11:50 PM
I uninstalled StartAllBack and Explorer Patcher before installing Start11. I am smart enough to know having 3 different programs trying to modify the start menu is going to cause problems. I even rebooted before installing Start11 as SAB required it after the uninstall.
I haven't gone through all the things I did. I don't even remember it all. But I do know I uninstalled Start 11 and reinstalled it. I uninstalled it again and downloaded it (since it was originally 2.0.3 with an update). I even tried it as a 30-day trial.