What is the .DREAM format?

Animated wallpaper format

Thursday, February 15, 2007 by Frogboy | Discussion: DeskScapes

This topic is touched on in this article. But it's an inevitable question -- why did Stardock develop the .dream format?

A little history here -- Microsoft has created a cool new feature in Windows Vista Ultimate called Windows DreamScene.  Concurrently, Stardock was developing its own animated wallpaper program called DeskScapes.  Early in development, it was decided it made a lot more sense to team up.

Windows DreamScene allows users of Windows Vista Ultimate to play video as animated wallpapers. The concept is very straight forward -- .MPEG or .WMV as animated wallpaper.

Stardock's view was that we wanted to take it one step further and address potential problems that might come up.

Giving artists credit...

For instance, look at your wallpaper choosing dialog in Windows Vista (or even XP). There's no credit or author info on who made the wallpaper.  Maybe that wasn't an issue back in the day of making bitmaps for wallpapers that didn't require effort.  But believe us, creating a decent animated wallpaper can take weeks. We strongly believe that artists would want to get credit for what they've done.

Finding the stuff...

Trying to find an animated wallpaper on the Internet? Good luck. Look for .WMV or .MPEG? Or maybe type in "animated wallpaper" and find all sorts of weird stuff.  People who make this stuff are going to want to find it.  That's one of the reasons we wanted to create a specific extension for animated wallpapers so that people would be able to know that THIS was created to be an animated desktop and isn't just some random video.

Extending the capability...

This has been discussed elsewhere but playing video as the wallpaper is just the beginning. The natural next step is dynamic content.  DeskScapes provides that capability.  Same for triggers (events that change what is being played as the wallpaper). In the coming weeks, we'll begin posting the documentation and examples on creating this sort of thing along with samples.

Providing a community site...

Another thing that is important that I don't know if most people realize is that for this sort of thing to take off, you need stable, reliable, trustworthy sites to host and provide a base for this kind of thing.  100,000 people downloading a 50 megabyte file is simply beyond the capability of most sites.  And while torrents and such might solve some of that, you're still stuck with having to hunt and peck for things rather than see what you're getting and talk to the people who made them directly.

So that's why we created the .dream format.  It does create some confusion initially that it's not part of Windows DreamScene. That may change in the future as the format matures, but obviously initially the extra step of downloading DeskScapes can be a hassle for some but on the other hand, because we're not Microsoft, we have a lot more latitude on what we can do in the short-term.

As for us at Stardock, we're just jazzed that animated wallpapers are finally a practical reality (they've been around in impractical forms for years -- even on OS/2 <g>).

Frogboy
Reply #1 Friday, February 16, 2007 3:50 PM
Updated.
Bichur
Reply #2 Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:37 AM
I'm waiting to see about the dynamic content
DerekCapretta
Reply #3 Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:06 PM
I really really think Stardock rocks. I really really think Microsoft rocks. In the past Stardock has always found a way to bridge their UI enhancements/innovations across Microsoft Operating System releases. Is there anyway you can make an activex control that displays the .dream format. Then Windows XP users such as myself could host the activeX control on the Active Desktop. This would allow usDerekCapretta to use you .dream content on XP. I would be willing to write the activex control if you don't have the time but I would just need the .dream file spec.

Thanks,
Derek

ps. If there are legal reasons this can't be done that's understandable but I thought it would be worth mentioning.
peterzeke1
Reply #4 Monday, March 19, 2007 11:53 AM
Derek:
Did you ever hear back from someone at Stardock about your proposal to develop an activex to play .dream files on Windows XP?

I, too, would very much like to see some sort of means of displaying animated wallpaper on XP! I'm not much of a programmer, though, so attempting to create something on my own is beyond me.

--Thanks,
Pete
ZubaZ
Reply #5 Monday, March 19, 2007 12:09 PM
Why would a Microsoft partner agree to make something available that MS has stated is for Vista Ultimate users only?

Not a good business move.  I wouldn't hold my breath.
Yosmel
Reply #6 Monday, March 19, 2007 12:13 PM
Zubaz makes a damn good point. MS wouldn't be very happy with Stardock if they did something like that. (I would even think a lawsuit could be involved there somewhere)

Saying "I wouldn't hold my breath" is an understatement, frankly.

-Yosmel
ZubaZ
Reply #7 Monday, March 19, 2007 12:32 PM
THere are animated wallpapers for XP.  They are just a google away.
Fourtyacres
Reply #8 Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:14 PM
I think .dream format is a bunch of crap,designed to get more money out of the public.If wanting it your going to have to spend more money to upgrade your windows so you can buy
the .dreams at an inflated price.
XP has an active desktop that ran animated gifs quite nicely. and we all know that you can do a hell of a lot with animated gifs.
Fourtyacres
Reply #9 Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:18 PM
I think .dream format is a bunch of crap,designed to get more money out of the public.If wanting it your going to have to spend more money to upgrade your windows so you can buy
the .dreams at an inflated price.
XP has an active desktop that ran animated gifs quite nicely. and we all know that you can do a hell of a lot with animated gifs.


Fourtyacres
Bebi Bulma
Reply #10 Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:40 PM
Fourtyacres...do you have any idea what you're talking about? Deskscapes and Dreamscene are freeware, only a handful of .dreams are premium ones and you don't HAVE to buy them (only if you choose to use them). And it's not Stardock's fault that Microsoft chose to have dreams only work in Ultimate. Have fun using those animated gifs as a wallpaper...can't imagine it would be as resource-use efficient compared to the technology Vista has to use animated wallpapers such as dreams, not to mention lacking the capabilities Deskscapes has (such as triggered dreams).
NGTV
Reply #11 Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:16 PM

I think .dream format is a bunch of crap,designed to get more money out of the public.If wanting it your going to have to spend more money to upgrade your windows so you can buy
the .dreams at an inflated price.
XP has an active desktop that ran animated gifs quite nicely. and we all know that you can do a hell of a lot with animated gifs.


Fourtyacres

Talk about IQ of the new century.
And also your 256 color 8-bit GIFs that move at 2 frames per second.



Waidaminit... you DO really enjoy XP, right?
O Zizzle
Reply #12 Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:42 PM
I think .dream format is a bunch of crap,designed to get more money out of the public.If wanting it your going to have to spend more money to upgrade your windows so you can buy
the .dreams at an inflated price.
XP has an active desktop that ran animated gifs quite nicely. and we all know that you can do a hell of a lot with animated gifs.


Fourtyacres


Woah man, chill. If you honestly think your gonna find some *quality* seemless looping GIF file thats not resource hungry comparable in quality to .dreams, then you are sadly mistaken. lol. And stop whining about price this and that. Its an extra feature in Vista Ultimate & stardock doesn't charge for deskscapes. Thats like expecting to buy a car fully loaded for the price of the basic model. LMAO. Also if 5 to 10 bucks for a quality dream is too much for you, then use the free ones.
MeStinkBAD
Reply #13 Monday, April 16, 2007 3:23 PM
Well... all .dream files are just wrappers that contain the video, which is extracted to "\ProgramData\Stardock". You can find the actual video files there, move the videos to whereever you like, and then delete the original dream files. I suggest doing this, cuz .dream appears to be a propriatary format, which appears to only enable Stardock to charge for so called "premium" dreams if they choose to do so.

None of the "premium" dreams have impressed me in the slightest. I don't understand why they feel the need to charge for these videos which have been better done by others and are free. I don't think they are "quality" material, no more so than the freebies. And $5-$10 for a stupid looping video file? Yeah that's kinda excessive. But it's your choice to pay that price. I choose not too.


Frogboy
Reply #14 Monday, April 16, 2007 3:49 PM

Well... all .dream files are just wrappers that contain the video, which is extracted to "\ProgramData\Stardock". You can find the actual video files there, move the videos to whereever you like, and then delete the original dream files. I suggest doing this, cuz .dream appears to be a propriatary format, which appears to only enable Stardock to charge for so called "premium" dreams if they choose to do so.

None of the "premium" dreams have impressed me in the slightest. I don't understand why they feel the need to charge for these videos which have been better done by others and are free. I don't think they are "quality" material, no more so than the freebies. And $5-$10 for a stupid looping video file? Yeah that's kinda excessive. But it's your choice to pay that price. I choose not too.

Given that the article explains the rationale behind having .DREAM files (and no, they aren't just video fiels, .DREAM supports many types of content including triggered content and dynamic content) I'm not sure what your point is.

But if you think it would be "better" to go hunting for WMV or MPEG on the net then by all means, go. Go now.  Personally, I prefer to know that a given file was designed to be an animated background.

One big reason artists choose .DREAM is because they get credit. Obviously, someone like you who is just a user who doesn't contribute anything back wouldn't see the point.  But for the people who spend hours and hours on these things, having their name appear in the dialog matters.

quipe
Reply #15 Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:15 AM
OMFG you stole the "dream" thing from Furcadia!!! Lol!
Stardock only wants to advertise itself by making some stupid dream formats...
It's stupid...
Don't get me wrong, I still love Stardock but sometimes it gets on my nerves.
Neil Banfield
Reply #16 Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:24 AM

quipe: The dream format is more than just a video container.  It also supports the dynamic dreams such as the ovals one which was uploaded a couple of days ago.

Dynamic dreams are a fraction of the size of video dreams (ovals is less than 300K), run at the native resolution of your monitor and barely use any cpu.

Agrabren
Reply #17 Friday, April 20, 2007 11:22 PM
What's the gripe about the .dream format? It would be nice if Stardock let us easily extract one, but as far as "credit" or anything else... It's just nice to be a single file with all the needed bits. Yes, you can argue that a WMV would suffice, and I would agree. But what about the dynamic content DLLs? It's nice to know I'm downloading a DreamScape. Dynamic or WMV, it's one file type, one file to download. Not a ZIP file I need to extract some random place before I can use it. Downloading random DLLs is not the smartest thing you can do, and granted, DreamScapes has the potential for trojan horses..

Note for Stardock if you're reading this: A suggestion would be a warning before loading/running any dynamic content to trust the source of the content? Dream files prevent users from knowing if the content is dynamic or static. I haven't (yet) heard of a virus in a WMV file... But dynamic content is far cooler, IMHO.
Landriders7th
Reply #18 Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:05 AM
mmmm that kept me thinking...... If this dream format is a type of amimated wallpaper, then why cant it be on XP as well? anyways my futher OS called L-core BIO will allow this format to be used on it. Microsoft gonna hate me for makeing an OS that far more advance that Vista and it only requires any PC with 512MB of RAM, 64MB of video, and 1GHZ of CPU and its gonna be bootable from a USB divices and CD. it can be use for basic thing like office work, midea, and Networking to advance uses like Gamming, 3D in almost every think, and so much more on just this version alone: there will also be a moble verson thats called L-core MiniGear or MG that work just the same but made for the portable divice like NDS, PSP, and hoply on Cell phones too.

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