The move to Linux-Things you need to know
It may not be quite as easy as you think...
Friday, April 15, 2005 by PurrBall | Discussion: OS Wars
Update: yum makes life easier. To install a package, for exaple, The GIMP, you would go ito terminal and type 'yum install gimp' or for Firefox, 'yum install firefox' etc. No more web searching!!
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aimzzz
Reply #62 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:47 PM
Reply #62 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:47 PM
Arg, oh arg... found in Fedora documentation:
Installation from Diskettes
There is no option to install Fedora Core from diskettes.
Now, I can understand not being able to put the install on diskettes, but surely there's a way to make a boot diskette & from there install from hard drive (like windows used to need a floppy boot in order to install it from a CD).
Installation from Diskettes
There is no option to install Fedora Core from diskettes.
Now, I can understand not being able to put the install on diskettes, but surely there's a way to make a boot diskette & from there install from hard drive (like windows used to need a floppy boot in order to install it from a CD).
aimzzz
Reply #63 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:55 PM
Reply #63 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:55 PM
Got the answer to the VFAT part--
"In Fedora, vfat includes a range of file systems, such as FAT-16 and FAT-32, found on most removable media. External hard drives usually contain vfat (FAT-32) file systems."
Their documentation is a bit dated-- xp doesn't support fdisk anymore
"In Fedora, vfat includes a range of file systems, such as FAT-16 and FAT-32, found on most removable media. External hard drives usually contain vfat (FAT-32) file systems."
Their documentation is a bit dated-- xp doesn't support fdisk anymore
aimzzz
Reply #64 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:16 PM
Reply #64 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:16 PM
Hey Meowy,
I got on the Fedora IRC- no need to go thru the excrutiating details here-- I think I'm pointed in the right direction now. Yesterday I had no idea where to start. Thanks for the thread. Will update you on this project!
I got on the Fedora IRC- no need to go thru the excrutiating details here-- I think I'm pointed in the right direction now. Yesterday I had no idea where to start. Thanks for the thread. Will update you on this project!
PurrBall
Reply #65 Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:59 AM
Reply #65 Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:59 AM
The EXT3 filesystem seems to work faster then VFAT. You can select what partition type in Disk Druid.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
aimzzz
Reply #66 Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:42 PM
Reply #66 Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:42 PM
At this point I can pass on a useful bit. In installing Fedora from hard drive, booting from floppy is no longer an option. If you don't have a CD or DVD burner, a USB flash drive is an option- minimum size for the boot image 16 MB (commercial MB)
(gotta get one before I can proceed- at least they're cheap)
(gotta get one before I can proceed- at least they're cheap)
PurrBall
Reply #67 Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:54 PM
Reply #67 Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:54 PM
Your computer doesnt boot from CDs? 
I always install from an ISO image burned to a CD.
I always install from an ISO image burned to a CD.
aimzzz
Reply #68 Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:08 PM
Reply #68 Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:08 PM
I know it's hard to imagine, but I don't have a CD burner- no way to get the image onto the CD
A flash pen is way cheaper than getting a CD burner & some blanks
A flash pen is way cheaper than getting a CD burner & some blanks
aimzzz
Reply #69 Friday, August 19, 2005 5:57 PM
Reply #69 Friday, August 19, 2005 5:57 PM
Whuuhooooo!
Meowy!
Got the USB flash, the bits are torrenting (hopefully faster later)... it's my favorite past-time...doing a bunch of things I never did before, not totally clueless, but but mostly not knowing WTF I'm doing
Ahhhh.
(Don't be surprised later when I screw it all up & start whining-- really I love it!)
Thanks for all the help.
Meowy!
Got the USB flash, the bits are torrenting (hopefully faster later)... it's my favorite past-time...doing a bunch of things I never did before, not totally clueless, but but mostly not knowing WTF I'm doing
Ahhhh.
(Don't be surprised later when I screw it all up & start whining-- really I love it!)
Thanks for all the help.
PurrBall
Reply #70 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:03 PM
Reply #70 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:03 PM
You'll be glad. 
)
Also, once you're up and running, you ahould check out the KDE-Redhat project at http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ It really takes KDE to the next level (strongly recommended by me). Fedora is based off Redhat. When installing the project, be sure to exit out of X by doing Ctrl-Alt-F1. Then login as root. And type what you would to install it.
[plug]A screenie of my Fedora desktop: http://home.gwi.net/~mjonson/fedoraaug1905.png
)Also, once you're up and running, you ahould check out the KDE-Redhat project at http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ It really takes KDE to the next level (strongly recommended by me). Fedora is based off Redhat. When installing the project, be sure to exit out of X by doing Ctrl-Alt-F1. Then login as root. And type what you would to install it.
[plug]A screenie of my Fedora desktop: http://home.gwi.net/~mjonson/fedoraaug1905.png
tjesterb
Reply #71 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:09 PM
Reply #71 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:09 PM
aimzzz,
The best Linux that I used was Suse. You can do an FTP install using only a boot disc to make the FTP connection. I imagine you could use your USB drive as the boot disc if you want to.
Check out this site for instructions for the SuSe 9.2 ftp install:
http://support.novell.com/techcenter/tips/10028.html
You are going to need to download the boot cd first.
Here is the site link that I used to receive the install:
IP: 140.221.37.130
Directory: /pub/suse/i386/9.2/
(use if needed (note I did not have to use this) User name = anonymous / Password = your email address)
The install process took a while because of the FTP install, but not that bad. In Suse you get all your updates and apps using Yast. Very quick and easy.
The best Linux that I used was Suse. You can do an FTP install using only a boot disc to make the FTP connection. I imagine you could use your USB drive as the boot disc if you want to.
Check out this site for instructions for the SuSe 9.2 ftp install:
http://support.novell.com/techcenter/tips/10028.html
You are going to need to download the boot cd first.
Here is the site link that I used to receive the install:
IP: 140.221.37.130
Directory: /pub/suse/i386/9.2/
(use if needed (note I did not have to use this) User name = anonymous / Password = your email address)
The install process took a while because of the FTP install, but not that bad. In Suse you get all your updates and apps using Yast. Very quick and easy.
PurrBall
Reply #72 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:18 PM
Reply #72 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:18 PM
I think she's already downloading Fedora.
I don't see why anybody wouldn't like it.
I don't see why anybody wouldn't like it.
aimzzz
Reply #73 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:47 PM
Reply #73 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:47 PM
Thanks, tjesterb,
I am already in the middle of getting Fedora. Both in this thread & on the Fedora forum I've seen that alot of people who are into Linux lean strongly to one incarnation or another & usually have good reasons for their preferences-- all in all a good thing. If something really annoys or crashes or works great, there's a choice. I'm not a Windows basher, but it's true that we only get one take on that concept.
I'm going to keep your comments in mind-- I have a huge amount of storage & no matter how things go with Fedora, it would be pretty interesting to see how different groups of designers have approached Linux. It's win-win (unless I do something really strange here...)
I am already in the middle of getting Fedora. Both in this thread & on the Fedora forum I've seen that alot of people who are into Linux lean strongly to one incarnation or another & usually have good reasons for their preferences-- all in all a good thing. If something really annoys or crashes or works great, there's a choice. I'm not a Windows basher, but it's true that we only get one take on that concept.
I'm going to keep your comments in mind-- I have a huge amount of storage & no matter how things go with Fedora, it would be pretty interesting to see how different groups of designers have approached Linux. It's win-win (unless I do something really strange here...)
PurrBall
Reply #74 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:55 PM
hehe....
You'll have a good time.
Reply #74 Friday, August 19, 2005 6:55 PM
| It's win-win (unless I do something really strange here...) |
hehe....
You'll have a good time.
tjesterb
Reply #75 Friday, August 19, 2005 8:58 PM
Reply #75 Friday, August 19, 2005 8:58 PM
As much as I see that Linux has some definite advantages over Windows (File structure, stability) and I like the whole open source approach, I found that the applications that I needed just weren't there. After the initial install and some configuring, I found I was almost always booting into Windows. Eventually I always need the disc space back, and the Linux partition is the most dispensable.
I hated to lose the Suse partition (just reclaimed that a couple weeks ago) as I found it the most workable for me.
Hope your Fedora install works out for you, I have friends who swear by it.
We're working on a plan to convert some workstations at work over to RedHat (if for nothing else than to reclaim over 40 XP licenses for the office people to use)
I've been reading up on BSD. I want to set up a FreeBSD file server next winter, if I can get hold of the hardware I need.
I hated to lose the Suse partition (just reclaimed that a couple weeks ago) as I found it the most workable for me.
Hope your Fedora install works out for you, I have friends who swear by it.
We're working on a plan to convert some workstations at work over to RedHat (if for nothing else than to reclaim over 40 XP licenses for the office people to use)
I've been reading up on BSD. I want to set up a FreeBSD file server next winter, if I can get hold of the hardware I need.
kona0197
Reply #76 Friday, August 19, 2005 9:39 PM
Maybe because you have to configure so many things after install. I'm using Xandros. it plays MP3, Mpeg, DVD and tons of other stuff staight out of the box. Did I mention it also has Crossover so I can use Windows apps straight out of the box?
Reply #76 Friday, August 19, 2005 9:39 PM
| think she's already downloading Fedora. I don't see why anybody wouldn't like it. |
Maybe because you have to configure so many things after install. I'm using Xandros. it plays MP3, Mpeg, DVD and tons of other stuff staight out of the box. Did I mention it also has Crossover so I can use Windows apps straight out of the box?
PurrBall
Reply #77 Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:21 AM
Reply #77 Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:21 AM
amizzz has 30 gigs that she wants to put to good use.
And, amizzz, you can see why there are so many distros out there, people have different tastes.
I havent found anything I have had to configure. If you tell Helix to play an MP3, then it gives a link to RealPlayer, which has an RPM version that you click on, click Open, and bada-bing, it starts installing it.
And, amizzz, you can see why there are so many distros out there, people have different tastes.
I havent found anything I have had to configure. If you tell Helix to play an MP3, then it gives a link to RealPlayer, which has an RPM version that you click on, click Open, and bada-bing, it starts installing it.
sunwukong
Reply #78 Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:31 PM
FWIW, a few things to keep in mind (sorry if you're already aware of these, but this might be of general interest as well)
OpenBSD -- by far the most secure general purpose O/S "out of the box" -- perfect for edge servers and high-availability services (e.g., mail, routing, etc.). Just added SMP support.
FreeBSD -- an excellent *nix for either workstations but most especially for high load servers -- unfortunately x86_64 support is still shaky and SMP/SMT architectures have lingering concurrency and lock issues.
NetBSD -- runs on almost every ISA imaginable
Gentoo Linux -- a great server distribution for x86_64 and, in general, high powered machines* -- combines many of the good ideas from the BSD world (e.g., it's ports-like portage system)
* I use it on my dual Opteron development server
Reply #78 Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:31 PM
| I've been reading up on BSD. I want to set up a FreeBSD file server next winter, if I can get hold of the hardware I need. |
FWIW, a few things to keep in mind (sorry if you're already aware of these, but this might be of general interest as well)
OpenBSD -- by far the most secure general purpose O/S "out of the box" -- perfect for edge servers and high-availability services (e.g., mail, routing, etc.). Just added SMP support.
FreeBSD -- an excellent *nix for either workstations but most especially for high load servers -- unfortunately x86_64 support is still shaky and SMP/SMT architectures have lingering concurrency and lock issues.
NetBSD -- runs on almost every ISA imaginable
Gentoo Linux -- a great server distribution for x86_64 and, in general, high powered machines* -- combines many of the good ideas from the BSD world (e.g., it's ports-like portage system)
* I use it on my dual Opteron development server
tjesterb
Reply #79 Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:23 PM
Did you have to compile your kernel to get it to run on the dual processors?
Reply #79 Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:23 PM
| * I use it on my dual Opteron development server |
Did you have to compile your kernel to get it to run on the dual processors?
aimzzz
Reply #80 Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:39 PM
Reply #80 Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:39 PM
Meowy,
Here I am in Fedora/FireFox. I was away from it for a couple of days & then had assorted problems because the BIOS didn't want to boot from the USB flash. In the end I found somebody's instructions for using RawWrite to transfer the boot image to a set of floppies (remember Win 95 installs?). Speaking of Win 95, I'd say Gnome is to KDE approx as Win 95 is to XP with OD installed. Something in that range...
Here I am in Fedora/FireFox. I was away from it for a couple of days & then had assorted problems because the BIOS didn't want to boot from the USB flash. In the end I found somebody's instructions for using RawWrite to transfer the boot image to a set of floppies (remember Win 95 installs?). Speaking of Win 95, I'd say Gnome is to KDE approx as Win 95 is to XP with OD installed. Something in that range...
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Reply #61 Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:27 PM