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Gregory2001
Reply #21 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 5:51 PM
Prior to today it is an illegal and unathorized copy.
Jafo
Reply #22 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 7:08 PM

Prior to today it is an illegal and unathorized copy.

Not necessarily.  This sort of product has industry releases prior to public release.  I remember seeing a VHS [pal] video of A Clockwork Orange about TEN YEARS before its public commercial release.

It happens...

iPseudoNym
Reply #23 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 8:03 PM
Prior to today it is an illegal and unathorized copy.

Again what I purchased last Thursday is the exact same retail packaged legitimate 2 DVD set anyone could purchase today. It is not an illegal or unauthorized copy. The sale of the DVD prior to today could in fact be considered unauthorized. However that in and of itself does not make the item I purchased illegal or unauthorized. If you had any experience in retail you would know that in most cases items such as this are delivered to the retail location days, sometimes even weeks before they are to be sold. It is then up to the retailer’s employees to hold the items back until the scheduled release date. Often they will sell these items prior to their scheduled release date. When this happens it does not deem the merchandise “illegal” or “unauthorized”. It simply means it was sold to a retail customer before the distributor intended. If you think this carries a $10,000 fine for the end customer all I can do is laugh as I watch the movie yet again.
Oops98672
Reply #24 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 10:10 PM
I got my copy through a promo. Actually from Kelloggs. I'm sure it was legal or they would have not semt it.
Rutabaga64
Reply #25 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:02 PM
I bought my copy at Wal-Mart on the way home from work, they had the best exclusive thingie...the bonus 1 hour DVD. It was an extra 5 bucks, but what the hell . Although it was hard to find in the store, all that was on display in the front was the regular 2-disc edition.

People buying it last week is a very conceivable thing, because it seems to happen all the time in small non-chain stores, people either accidentally or intentionally don't pay attention to street dates on the shipping cartons and just put the darn things out for sale early. But three months early through Kellogg's??? I doubt that, something doesn't sound right about that.

Oh, and btw, thanks for the link to the SW icons, I'd never seen those before.
Island Dog
Reply #26 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:17 AM

I bought my copy at Wal-Mart on the way home from work, they had the best exclusive thingie...the bonus 1 hour DVD. It was an extra 5 bucks, but what the hell . Although it was hard to find in the store, all that was on display in the front was the regular 2-disc edition.

That's what I did.  The extra DVD is great.

 

 

Oops98672
Reply #27 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:19 AM
First, I DONT LIE. Next, lets see if we are talking bout the same thing. I am so embarrased, I feel so stupid. I went and got my copy and guess what? You guessed it. It was the episode before.From now on I'll think before I speak.
Gregory2001
Reply #28 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:41 AM
Prior to November 1, you and your "video store" committed theft. Prior to November 1 your copy was illegal and unauthorized. Experience in retail? Of course they are delivered before the date. How could they be sold on the date if they weren't delivered before? It doesn't happen "often" because the retailers know about the $10,000 fine. I do this for a living, Genius, so I wouldn't laugh too hard because you can be arrested and I don't think it really would be worth it especially for an inane "Star Wars" film.
iPseudoNym
Reply #29 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:08 AM
you and your "video store" committed theft


I do this for a living, Genius, so I wouldn't laugh too hard because you can be arrested



This is most interesting and I would love to see exactly what law that states how one could be arrested for paying a retail store for goods they offer. Perhaps with your vast knowledge you should enter law enforcement oh mighty guru of DVD sales.
Gregory2001
Reply #30 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:20 AM
Like I said, I do this for a living. Your "retail store" did not offer you "goods". Prior to November 1 there were no "goods". This is no different than downloading music (and, yes, the law states you can be arrested for that) or picking up a "hot watch" on the street corner.
Jafo
Reply #31 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:55 AM

Not necessarily. This sort of product has industry releases prior to public release. I remember seeing a VHS [pal] video of A Clockwork Orange about TEN YEARS before its public commercial release.

Gregory2001 

Again, try NOT to be so emphatic and/or absolute.  There WILL often be an instance that proves you wrong....

Gollums
Reply #32 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:25 AM
[Changing to a friendlier vein of discussion.... ]And did everyone forget that Star Wars Battlefront II was also released? Got it on PSP - really cool game!
Gregory2001
Reply #33 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:51 AM
Jafo: Oh, yes, this has been happening for years. We were offered, for example, "Heavy Metal" about three years prior to its release. Of course, we passed it up. You can get, if you want, any film on video (even films that are not yet released to theatres). I was referring to "legal" copies. By the way, the "law" is an absolute. My main concern is that this is the type of person who would gladly steal a key for Stardock/Wincustomize.
-OZZY-
Reply #34 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:41 PM
so that iconpackage is also available on da !! it was removed here because he never asked my permission to use the recyclebin icon for the package...maybe i should leave him a message on da !!
anyway, episode III....
Jafo
Reply #35 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 5:53 PM

Jafo: Oh, yes, this has been happening for years. We were offered, for example, "Heavy Metal" about three years prior to its release. Of course, we passed it up. You can get, if you want, any film on video (even films that are not yet released to theatres). I was referring to "legal" copies. By the way, the "law" is an absolute. My main concern is that this is the type of person who would gladly steal a key for Stardock/Wincustomize.

You clearly miss the point.

This was a legitimate Clockwork Orange release, not some 'pirate'.

History for you....

Stanley Kubrick owned sole rights to the film's screening/distribution...particularly in the UK where it was made.....To be shown there the Censors wanted it cut [as a matter of interest I saw it there in London]. Kubrick refused to allow it to be altered...so it was never shown...[this is 1973].

It WAS, however, released in Australia....uncut but rated 'R'.....[the first film here to be so rated]....again, 1973

Many years later it was produced on VHS for the Australian market....and test-distributed to Video stores here.....until someone realised both AUS and UK were Pal format....and there would be frantic mail-orders to the UK of something which was still being vetoed by Kubrick...as far as the UK was concerned....so....the Videos were subsequently withdrawn from 'sale'.

Of course, now that Kubrick is dead, his estate has allowed the film's distribution fully.

I viewed that VHS easily a good 10 years before it was released commercially in any form, and yet it was a legal, commercial production and very definitely NOT a 'pirate'.

iPseudoNym
Reply #36 Friday, November 4, 2005 12:35 AM
My main concern is that this is the type of person who would gladly steal a key for Stardock/Wincustomize.


For your information I have paid for all my Stardock software just as I paid for my copy of Episode 3. You are clearly overreacting. No one lost out on anything when I made my puchases. Nothing was stolen. If you are concerend about the type of person who pays their hard earned money stealing you need to take a step back and take a good look at reality. Obviously you are concerened about the the wrong type of person. You no doubt have much to learn if you think you can make such a judgement about a person after reading a few posts on a message board.
Gregory2001
Reply #37 Friday, November 4, 2005 4:38 AM
Jafo: I am well aware of the Kubrick history. And you are correct. Your incident was legal. This was not.
smorguss
Reply #38 Friday, November 4, 2005 6:54 AM
I don't understand all the fuss, quite frankly - the film is a worthless piece of excrement which is an insult to the medium. Lucas should quit the business after this terrible trio of films. I have never been more bored and annoyed in the cinema in my life. The worst acting and dialogue in the history of film, without a doubt. There are directors who've made better movies with more credible characters for a minute fraction of what this piece of crud cost to make...
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #39 Friday, November 4, 2005 10:31 AM
One presumes you felt that way about the first film, so the question is, why did you go to see the other films?
ZubaZ
Reply #40 Friday, November 4, 2005 10:57 AM
the film is a worthless piece of excrement which is an insult to the medium


The music was thrilling. If there had been no spoken dialog the movie would have been almost complete. I had a dream once where I overdubbed new dialog . . . I don't know if it was better or not. I woke up before I finished it.

A friend gave me the (now unavailable, and in my house un-playable) laserdisc version of the original trilogy on DVD he picked up on his last trip to China. There's a break in the middle of each movie where the disc was flipped but otherwise looks great. I didn't ask for it, didn't pay for it. I don't know the legality.
I do know that I own (bought myself) three other versions* of the trilogy on VHS and/or DVD (Original, Original THX, Special Edition Wide, Special Edition Pan-n-Scan, DVD) and I don't feel badly watching this version.

All I know is that it's the original movies in hi-def and best of all . . . Han shoots first!

*note: all versions were bought before I was married. Go figure.


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