Vista and DRM
Friday, February 24, 2006 by Island Dog | Discussion: Personal Computing
I have been reading some articles on the DRM that Vista will supposedly include. I would like everyones opinoins on these.
"Microsoft is taking some heat over a digital-rights management (DRM) feature it's folding into its upcoming Vista (formerly Longhorn) operating system.
The feature, called Output Content Protection Management, encompasses several DRM-related schemes. The one that's raised hackles in several articles and blogs is a DRM-related check that's performed when playing back video on Vista-equipped PCs. According to Microsoft's description, the feature "makes sure that the PC's video outputs have the required protection or that they are turned off if such protection is not available."
In plain English, this means that Vista machines won't be able to play next-generation, high-definition DVDs in their full, high-resolution glory unless they're equipped with monitors that support a new DRM scheme called High-Bandwidth Digital Copy Protection, or HDCP. "
Techweb article - http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/167101037
Reply #2 Friday, February 24, 2006 3:24 PM
I think they will all fail miserably, and piss off more people than they help. Businesses will most certainly not want the hassles that are going to go along with it. Let them dig their graves, frankly. I'm tired of the dinosaurs of the industry, and I think it is high time they screw up and make room for innovation. I think DRM is exactly what they'll use to commit suicide.
Reply #3 Friday, February 24, 2006 5:38 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:06 AM
Reply #5 Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:43 AM
"I don't see how this can go foward as proposed. Vista is supposedly a media-friendly OS, but how can it be with such restrictions. Consumers won't go for it." |
People talk a good fight, but next year if a new Emimem CD comes out, and the only way to get it is this DRM, they'll swallow it with a smile. That's the problem with fighting the RIAA. In the end we will sacrifice whatever ethical qualms we have in order to get their damned bread and circuses.
If you can get 40 year olds that watch "American Idol" and 14 year olds yearning for the next rap album to forgo their entertainment for an ideal, you've got them beat. Anyone wanna bet me that they'll do that? If they really create a sytem that makes it hard for 90% of consumers to beat it, they'll beat us.
Look at ITunes, for instance. People should be asking why they have to pay a buck a song. People should be saying that if it is profitable for music companies to sell a CD with 16 tracks for $12, then they ought to be able to sell each track for less than a dollar, especially given that there is no overhead, no CD case, no printing liner notes.
Do we? Hell no, they've sold a BILLION of them. Worse, the damned record companies claim that they need to charge more. I think that is their right, frankly. If the price point is 1.50 or 2.00 per song, they should be allowed to charge it. The problem isn't their freedom to set the price, it is our weak propensity to pay it.
What I see breaking this is the hardware requirements. People faced with a huge media library that won't play, and hardware that they have to replace will be less likely to upgrade. Unless they get enough new material out, and enough to make us swallow it, they'll fail.
The reason I think it will fail is that most entertainment and games now are drek. Period. If this had hit at the resurgence of video games a few years ago they'd have won easily. Instead they are waiting until entertainment and games are stagnant. They'd better hope they can find some new talent and some exceptional franchises to make this go down easier.
Reply #6 Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:58 AM
Reply #7 Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:09 AM
On the other hand, I suppose with the kind of fingerprinting they have now they could scan the sound track from new media against a db of prints from known sources, and tag the ones that match. There is a swooby little program now that can scan the first few seconds of mp3s and suggest the title and artist.
Still, the db involved to do that with movies and tv shows would be immense and almost impossible to enforce as it stands now. Don't expect them to quit trying, though.
Reply #8 Monday, February 27, 2006 11:44 AM
Reply #9 Monday, February 27, 2006 7:54 PM
Granted, there'll have to be a LOT more features, but Origami looks *nice*, so nice that I would even tolerate a little annoyance to use one. If they come up with enough benefit, like the frakking file system they have been touting, a lot of people would put up with their DRM.
I figure I'm going to end up with two desktop PCs. One running Vista and one running Linux.
Reply #10 Monday, February 27, 2006 10:30 PM
Reply #11 Monday, February 27, 2006 11:32 PM
Reply #12 Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:44 AM
il stick with XP until they remove the DRM....... |
I'll just stick with XP full stop
Reply #13 Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:25 PM
Yikes! Of course you will be able to watch you home videso on Vista - whatever made you think you won't??!!?!
Reply #14 Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:42 PM
"Vista will simply be able to open locks that someone else has locked - if you do not like the locks then don't buy the locks. " |
No, that's not what has been described.
The Trusted Platform Module – Creating a Safe Public Space or a DRM Nightmare?
"The whole point about Vista is that everything's always encrypted all the time because that enables you to enforce all these rights management rules," Anderson said. "The idea behind rights management is that the rules are no longer set by the person who owns the computer, but by the person who owns the document."
What price for 'trusted PC security'?
If you read up you'll find that the scheme seems to be that the entire hard drive is encrypted, and your computer decides what you are allowed to un-encrypt, not you.
"Yikes! Of course you will be able to watch you home videso on Vista - whatever made you think you won't??!!?!" |
Some people, like me, are dubious that they'll be able to tell the difference between unlicensed pirated copies of media and your own, home-made media. Eventually most everything is going to be "signed". How do you fight unsigned, pirated media without hurting people's ability to play their own, legitimate unsigned media?
Reply #15 Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:45 PM
Reply #16 Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:20 PM
I don't need my entire hard drive to be encrypted, and I think it will cause more problems than it would solve.
"The idea behind rights management is that the rules are no longer set by the person who owns the computer, but by the person who owns the document."
Am I the only one distrubed by that quote? If I were to buy a movie and put it on my computer, I own the movie. I don't own the rights the movie, but I own access to it. If they limit my access after a legal purchase, then it seems to infringe on my rights as a consumer.
Reply #17 Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:06 PM
BTW, has anyone ever notices why it is called Vista? I figure since Vista means view in spanish and the Aero shell has glass features and a has a lot of features that depend on how nice it looks, that the name came from that spanish meaning. What do you guys think?
Reply #18 Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:11 PM
I think it's inevitable that people will find a way to eliminate DRM and encrpytion from Vista, whether it's hacking or whatever. But I don't want DRM or a hacked OS on my computer.
Reply #19 Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:27 PM
I can't remember what the saturation is for machines sporting it is. I know mine doesn't have the TPM, and you can't add it, so those "features" of Vista will not work on my machine. Most new machines have the TPM if I am not mistaken. I don't know if you can buy new motherboards without it or not, I haven't checked.
I know that you can't upgrade a motherboard to have it, though, so if people want the big security features of Vista they'll need to get a machine with the TPM. I don't think Vista will be as bad as all that, simply because they don't have the capability to do this without REALLY annoying people.
By the next OS release, though, I think it will be more of what we are afraid of.
Reply #20 Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:43 PM
All that TPM is going to do is better "enforce" what you agree to in the EULA anyway. If you buy something and agree not to copy it, and then subsequently copy it - then you have just violated the agreement. TPM benefits anyone who wants to be a content provider based on policies. Anyway don't blame Vista for improving security - just don't support anyone who tries to rip you off.
Yikes! Trust me - you will have no trouble at all accessing your own home-made content. Do you think Microsoft employees do not have families?
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Reply #1 Friday, February 24, 2006 10:08 AM