Don't see what Vista offers over XP except a new GUI?
Wednesday, March 1, 2006 by Thomas Thomassen | Discussion: Personal Computing
This article extremetech.com talks about the changes that's under the hood.
IMO it's these changes that's the important part about Vista. It seem many people make up their mind of what they can see from the screenshots.
IMO it's these changes that's the important part about Vista. It seem many people make up their mind of what they can see from the screenshots.
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RPGFX
Reply #2 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:10 PM
Reply #2 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:10 PM
yes, very informative. I really think Vista is going to be a success. It seems Microsoft is on the money here. Thanks for posting!
aimzzz
Reply #3 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:28 PM
Reply #3 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:28 PM
Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen a thorough preview of Vista's features until now-- definitely worth reading... 
Vinco
Reply #4 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:52 PM
Reply #4 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:52 PM
And they still credit Konfabulator with the concept of widgets...
thomassen
Reply #5 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:12 PM
Reply #5 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:12 PM
Funny how people will say product X stole a feature from product Y. If product X didn't implement the new hot feature from product Y they'd be going; "But they should have added feature [whatever] from product Y."
Imagine how horrible software would be if noone would implement features allready used in other software. People should just be happy they got more choices instead of bitching about who was first. I know Stardock was out first with widgets/gadget, all though they wheren't called that at that time, but that's just semantics. But in the end I really don't care who made it first. It's a really cool feature and I'm glad there are competitors.
Imagine how horrible software would be if noone would implement features allready used in other software. People should just be happy they got more choices instead of bitching about who was first. I know Stardock was out first with widgets/gadget, all though they wheren't called that at that time, but that's just semantics. But in the end I really don't care who made it first. It's a really cool feature and I'm glad there are competitors.
Adamness
Reply #6 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:13 PM
Reply #6 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:13 PM
Well, it certainly looks good. But I'm not convinced I should upgrade right away, if at all. Since so much was changed, I bet there will be major compatability problems. And there wasn't much discussion in that article about the DRM and media restrictions. But I admit, from that article, it looks a lot better than what I thought it was.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #7 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:19 PM
Reply #7 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:19 PM
I'll be upgrading to Windows for Workgroups later this year 
HighCommand
Reply #8 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 10:52 PM
Reply #8 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 10:52 PM
Re: #5
If that happened, only Apple would be using a GUI. Then Apple would probably have a monopoly, and Microsoft would be the "holy savior" with Bill Gates as god.
If that happened, only Apple would be using a GUI. Then Apple would probably have a monopoly, and Microsoft would be the "holy savior" with Bill Gates as god.
starkers
Reply #10 Thursday, March 2, 2006 12:07 PM
Reply #10 Thursday, March 2, 2006 12:07 PM
I've always appreciated a good 'view', so Vista has to be on my agenda with its more than attractive under the hood features/additions. The GUI is fairly irrelevant to me at the end of the day...the novelty will wear off quickly and I'll be installing my Stardock proggies, post haste. Doubt very much Vista's new look will last a week before I'm plastering my screen with skins from WC....such is my need for variety 
aufisch
Reply #11 Friday, March 3, 2006 1:51 AM
Wow, I am still using "Buttons for DOS 6.2", but I promise I'll upgrade next year
Reply #11 Friday, March 3, 2006 1:51 AM
| I'll be upgrading to Windows for Workgroups later this year |
Wow, I am still using "Buttons for DOS 6.2", but I promise I'll upgrade next year
SKoriginals
Reply #12 Friday, March 3, 2006 10:11 AM
Reply #12 Friday, March 3, 2006 10:11 AM
Another article to check out........
"Why Windows Vista will suck" at downloadsquad
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2006/03/02/why-windows-vista-will-suck/
"Why Windows Vista will suck" at downloadsquad
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2006/03/02/why-windows-vista-will-suck/
thomassen
Reply #13 Friday, March 3, 2006 12:28 PM
Reply #13 Friday, March 3, 2006 12:28 PM
It seemed to me that the guy in that article was moaning over the fact that features existing in OSX and Linux finally got implemented in Windows.
As for the steep hardware: why not utilize the power that exist? Where's the point of having it idle? And isn't Windows mostly distrubited through new PC's anyways?
And while me might sit with his Linux box and have every software he needs, there are people, like me who cant have every software I need on a Linux box. People have different needs. No OS fits everyone.
I just checked the comments for that article and it's being slaughtered: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=289
As for the steep hardware: why not utilize the power that exist? Where's the point of having it idle? And isn't Windows mostly distrubited through new PC's anyways?
And while me might sit with his Linux box and have every software he needs, there are people, like me who cant have every software I need on a Linux box. People have different needs. No OS fits everyone.
I just checked the comments for that article and it's being slaughtered: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=289
Adamness
Reply #14 Friday, March 3, 2006 12:58 PM
Reply #14 Friday, March 3, 2006 12:58 PM
He never really disagreed with the ExtremeTech article. He just said Microsoft 'stole' the ideas from other software, or that Linux or OSX is better. Look to me like someone is trying to find any reason for Vista to not be too good. In fact, because an anti-Vista person couldn't come up with any actual criticism, I more impressed by it.
I think software should always use the most up to date hardware. Seems kind of silly for software to lag 6 or 9 months behind.
I agree with Starkers. The look of the Vista GUI is probably the least important thing to me. Once WB and the other OD programs are available for Vista, I'm sure most of us will drop the Aero default, and get into skins, which I'm sure will be kickass.
There aren't many programs I use that would work on Linux, so I have no use for it. And I simply don't like using Macs. I wish my school would put at least a couple PCs in the labs. Oh well.
I think software should always use the most up to date hardware. Seems kind of silly for software to lag 6 or 9 months behind.
I agree with Starkers. The look of the Vista GUI is probably the least important thing to me. Once WB and the other OD programs are available for Vista, I'm sure most of us will drop the Aero default, and get into skins, which I'm sure will be kickass.
There aren't many programs I use that would work on Linux, so I have no use for it. And I simply don't like using Macs. I wish my school would put at least a couple PCs in the labs. Oh well.
DJBandit
Reply #15 Friday, March 3, 2006 2:06 PM
Reply #15 Friday, March 3, 2006 2:06 PM
Well I am impressed. It seems that they are doing an almost complete overhaul on it and those ideas sound good to me. I am not too concerned about the idea of needing better hardware to use it, after all, the point of upgrading to a new OS would be to have better performance. You can't expect a VW to perform better simply because you put a corvette engine in it.
I plan on building a computer using some of the latest and best hardware out now or by the time Vista is out. I guess a new OS would be a good idea as well.
I plan on building a computer using some of the latest and best hardware out now or by the time Vista is out. I guess a new OS would be a good idea as well.
thomassen
Reply #16 Friday, March 3, 2006 7:23 PM
Yea, same here. Only thing. We haven't really heard anything about being able to skin the Aero mode. I know you can change colour tint and opacity. But nothing about changing the look of the UI it self like we do with Visual Styles (what will be Vista Express).
Reply #16 Friday, March 3, 2006 7:23 PM
| agree with Starkers. The look of the Vista GUI is probably the least important thing to me. Once WB and the other OD programs are available for Vista, I'm sure most of us will drop the Aero default, and get into skins, which I'm sure will be kickass. |
Yea, same here. Only thing. We haven't really heard anything about being able to skin the Aero mode. I know you can change colour tint and opacity. But nothing about changing the look of the UI it self like we do with Visual Styles (what will be Vista Express).
Adamness
Reply #17 Friday, March 3, 2006 9:54 PM
Reply #17 Friday, March 3, 2006 9:54 PM
I think Windowblinds is being redone to work and take advantage of what Vista offers, rather than just emulate it. At least I hope so.
Aquamonkey
Reply #19 Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:26 PM
Reply #19 Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:26 PM
Nope still not interested, XP does a good enough job. For those who think Vista will be security paradise think again, while what has been done will/may close a lot of current holes do you really think people won't find new ones? Their are nerds out their who enjoy dong that kind of cr@p!
Microsoft said their would be a minor release between Whistler (XP) and Blackcomb which was codenamed Longhorn, it still seems like they are playing that business model.
If you work in an IT support role that interface is going to be a nightmare if you have customers who are not very computer literate (and don't put much effort in)
Microsoft said their would be a minor release between Whistler (XP) and Blackcomb which was codenamed Longhorn, it still seems like they are playing that business model.
If you work in an IT support role that interface is going to be a nightmare if you have customers who are not very computer literate (and don't put much effort in)
thomassen
Reply #20 Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:12 PM
And there is an OS out there that hasn't got secotury holes?
Windows Vista isn't going to be as big an update as Microsoft originally said. I was really disappointed to see WinFS go. But I do belive that the amount of features in Vista is enough to consider it. It is after all five years since XP and they have made a progress.
Mind you, I will probably only upgrade my main computer to Vista. There is a certain point to where it's feasible to upgrade.
I'd say that the only OS's that has interfaces good enough for the major crowd is Windows and OSX.
Reply #20 Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:12 PM
| For those who think Vista will be security paradise think again, while what has been done will/may close a lot of current holes do you really think people won't find new ones? |
And there is an OS out there that hasn't got secotury holes?
| Microsoft said their would be a minor release between Whistler (XP) and Blackcomb which was codenamed Longhorn, it still seems like they are playing that business model. |
Windows Vista isn't going to be as big an update as Microsoft originally said. I was really disappointed to see WinFS go. But I do belive that the amount of features in Vista is enough to consider it. It is after all five years since XP and they have made a progress.
Mind you, I will probably only upgrade my main computer to Vista. There is a certain point to where it's feasible to upgrade.
| f you work in an IT support role that interface is going to be a nightmare if you have customers who are not very computer literate (and don't put much effort in) |
I'd say that the only OS's that has interfaces good enough for the major crowd is Windows and OSX.
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Reply #1 Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:29 AM
Very interesting article. Thanks for posting.