Don't see what Vista offers over XP except a new GUI?
Wednesday, March 1, 2006 by Thomas Thomassen | Discussion: Personal Computing
This article extremetech.com talks about the changes that's under the hood.
IMO it's these changes that's the important part about Vista. It seem many people make up their mind of what they can see from the screenshots.
IMO it's these changes that's the important part about Vista. It seem many people make up their mind of what they can see from the screenshots.
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porkside
Reply #22 Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:56 PM
Reply #22 Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:56 PM
wtf....you cant SEE what it offers apart from the graphical side...THE GRAPHICAL SIDE IS ALL YOU PHYSICALLY CAN SEE, what a silly post...google it, read about the features instead of whinging (I didnt read the link I'm too lazy)
thomassen
Reply #23 Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:50 AM
If you had read the article or this post, you would have noticed it was about what Vista offers except it's graphical side.
Not in any OS really. But best choice would be Windows or OSX.
Reply #23 Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:50 AM
| wtf....you cant SEE what it offers apart from the graphical side...THE GRAPHICAL SIDE IS ALL YOU PHYSICALLY CAN SEE, what a silly post...google it, read about the features instead of whinging (I didnt read the link I'm too lazy) |
If you had read the article or this post, you would have noticed it was about what Vista offers except it's graphical side.
| If people aren't computer literate in XP, they won't be in Vista. |
Not in any OS really. But best choice would be Windows or OSX.
starkers
Reply #24 Sunday, March 5, 2006 11:01 AM
Brad has already stated that Stardock is working on the Vista/WB situation and there will be a compatible WB that ulilises the Vista features.
Being a MS partner, Stardock can access the Vista beta's and tech information and may already have some development under way.....but it's a fairly safe bet that Stardock will have a number of Vista ready programs for the release of Vista, if not shortly afterwards.
What beats me, though, is all the flaming and carboshing of Vista when it hasn't even been released....particularly when alot of it comes from some who haven't even tried out the beta releases.....and even then, the beta releases are no true indication of the final product.
No OS is ever going to be perfect, and there'll always be some dropkick trying to exploit vunerabilities, if and when they find them, but it would seem that MS has put a great deal more effort into securing Vista than any other OS it has released.
Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's who thought of this and that first, I'm impressed with what I've read and managed to learn about Vista so far, and I fully intend to try it out, regardless of half-assed 'opinions' emanating from those who flame for flaming sake. With the amount of time, money and effort that's gone into Vista, I can't see MS just putting it out there and not providing ongoing support for whatever vunerabilities are found, so yeah, I have confidence in it rather than doubts.
Reply #24 Sunday, March 5, 2006 11:01 AM
| I think Windowblinds is being redone to work and take advantage of what Vista offers, |
Brad has already stated that Stardock is working on the Vista/WB situation and there will be a compatible WB that ulilises the Vista features.
Being a MS partner, Stardock can access the Vista beta's and tech information and may already have some development under way.....but it's a fairly safe bet that Stardock will have a number of Vista ready programs for the release of Vista, if not shortly afterwards.
What beats me, though, is all the flaming and carboshing of Vista when it hasn't even been released....particularly when alot of it comes from some who haven't even tried out the beta releases.....and even then, the beta releases are no true indication of the final product.
No OS is ever going to be perfect, and there'll always be some dropkick trying to exploit vunerabilities, if and when they find them, but it would seem that MS has put a great deal more effort into securing Vista than any other OS it has released.
Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's who thought of this and that first, I'm impressed with what I've read and managed to learn about Vista so far, and I fully intend to try it out, regardless of half-assed 'opinions' emanating from those who flame for flaming sake. With the amount of time, money and effort that's gone into Vista, I can't see MS just putting it out there and not providing ongoing support for whatever vunerabilities are found, so yeah, I have confidence in it rather than doubts.
Vailene
Reply #25 Sunday, March 5, 2006 10:32 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, March 5, 2006 10:32 PM
Thanks Thomas. I never personally really thought Vista was just a new GUI. I knew of these features under the hood.
However, I am scared to see the price tag. I personally believe to get the best use out of Vista and my mobile devices I'd need the Ultimate Edition. I'd expect to see that (personally) to hit around the $500+ USD price range. Microsoft tends to shoot for an "All or nothing" concept. That has never went very well with me, that's the only reason I may not upgrade.
But, I did learn a lot more about Vista thanks to the link you posted and I appreciate you sharing it with us Thomas. If it's under $350 USD for the Ultimate, then I'll upgrade.
However, I am scared to see the price tag. I personally believe to get the best use out of Vista and my mobile devices I'd need the Ultimate Edition. I'd expect to see that (personally) to hit around the $500+ USD price range. Microsoft tends to shoot for an "All or nothing" concept. That has never went very well with me, that's the only reason I may not upgrade.
But, I did learn a lot more about Vista thanks to the link you posted and I appreciate you sharing it with us Thomas. If it's under $350 USD for the Ultimate, then I'll upgrade.
Aquamonkey
Reply #26 Monday, March 6, 2006 4:54 AM
Not really what I'm saying. You write support documentation for dummies, click here, then here, then here (throw a screen shot in). Now along comes vista with a different interface! what do you do write two sets of documentation???
Reply #26 Monday, March 6, 2006 4:54 AM
| Why do people keep complaining about the IT support problems? It seems like such a minor problem. If people aren't computer literate in XP, they won't be in Vista. Vista won't make things better or worse for people who don't know what they're doing anyway. |
Not really what I'm saying. You write support documentation for dummies, click here, then here, then here (throw a screen shot in). Now along comes vista with a different interface! what do you do write two sets of documentation???
Island Dog
Reply #27 Monday, March 6, 2006 9:15 AM
Reply #27 Monday, March 6, 2006 9:15 AM
| However, I am scared to see the price tag. I personally believe to get the best use out of Vista and my mobile devices I'd need the Ultimate Edition. I'd expect to see that (personally) to hit around the $500+ USD price range. Microsoft tends to shoot for an "All or nothing" concept. That has never went very well with me, that's the only reason I may not upgrade. |
I agree. I want to recommend Vista for our small business, but we have many computers at a few locations, and the cost is going to be a factor.
DJBandit
Reply #28 Monday, March 6, 2006 10:53 AM
Ah, yes? Doesn't everyone do that already when something new comes out? I believe you shouldn't do something that you might be too lazy to redo or rewrite for a newer version. Your acting as if XP came out last week and Vista will be out in a few months. Get a grip dude.
Reply #28 Monday, March 6, 2006 10:53 AM
| Not really what I'm saying. You write support documentation for dummies, click here, then here, then here (throw a screen shot in). Now along comes vista with a different interface! what do you do write two sets of documentation??? |
Ah, yes? Doesn't everyone do that already when something new comes out? I believe you shouldn't do something that you might be too lazy to redo or rewrite for a newer version. Your acting as if XP came out last week and Vista will be out in a few months. Get a grip dude.
Adamness
Reply #29 Monday, March 6, 2006 4:03 PM
Reply #29 Monday, March 6, 2006 4:03 PM
Isn't this the same situation with XP? In fact, when XP came out it was probably worse. Many people were still using Windows 95, 98, ME and 2000.
I don't think too many people are using 95 or 98 anymore, and people using ME probably aren't the most computer literate ones out there, or they wouldn't have ME on their computers at all. So assuming there are no problems with Vista, it should be pretty easy for most people to upgrade.
I don't think too many people are using 95 or 98 anymore, and people using ME probably aren't the most computer literate ones out there, or they wouldn't have ME on their computers at all. So assuming there are no problems with Vista, it should be pretty easy for most people to upgrade.
Aquamonkey
Reply #30 Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:47 PM
NO you could give a novice instructions written for 95 that could very well be understood for XP, and definately 2000
I'm not talking about having to do re writes I'm talking about having two (2) sets of documentation. Or do you think it would be better to tell all my customs to upgrade to Vista and possibly require hardware updates in the process?
And where am I saying this exactly???
BTW Now March Vista will be out by the end of the year, i.e. in a few months
Reply #30 Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:47 PM
| Ah, yes? Doesn't everyone do that already when something new comes out? |
NO you could give a novice instructions written for 95 that could very well be understood for XP, and definately 2000
| I believe you shouldn't do something that you might be too lazy to redo or rewrite for a newer version. |
I'm not talking about having to do re writes I'm talking about having two (2) sets of documentation. Or do you think it would be better to tell all my customs to upgrade to Vista and possibly require hardware updates in the process?
| Your acting as if XP came out last week and Vista will be out in a few months. |
And where am I saying this exactly???
BTW Now March Vista will be out by the end of the year, i.e. in a few months
King Sky
Reply #31 Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:19 AM
Reply #31 Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:19 AM
Yes finally article to enlighten the ignorant masses, I'm so sick and tired of technically ignorant noobs saying how they think Vista's a rip off and it's nothing more just a prettier version of XP and blah blah blah. This article saves me a lot of time and grief in having to explain the benefits of Vista to every half wit in the galaxy, next time some fool disses Vista I'll just point them to this article.
TheGuyPC
Reply #32 Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 AM
Reply #32 Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 AM
Well, while it sounds good with that article, there is one thing that no one seems to notice. Microsoft is trying to take over as much as they can, all over again.
It's not just Vista. It's all of the other Beta programs. It's doing things that others have already done..............and integrating them into a OS that can eliminate functionality for any competitive software. At least for a while, hopefully (in their minds), forever.
I look at Vista and all I see is that Microsoft has been using us all to come up with ideas, designs, support and fixes for them. If they are having problems, as has been suggested, it likely lies in trying to compromise and utilize "X" software with all of the others. After that, they have to figure out how to keep those same programs out.
But, I'm part of the "Ignorant Masses". Yeah.
One needs little more than to Beta test a new MS product. Do that, you'll see the writing on the wall. Somewhere in the "MONOPOLY" settlement with the government, they made darn sure that they can continue to do as they please.
It's all a very handy game for Millionaires and, Billionaires.
And you know what? They will succeed. And I will upgrade. That doesn't make it right, or... better. It just makes it reality. SSDD
Now, if MS could come up with a completely secure P2P network? Hmmmm...............................
It's not just Vista. It's all of the other Beta programs. It's doing things that others have already done..............and integrating them into a OS that can eliminate functionality for any competitive software. At least for a while, hopefully (in their minds), forever.
I look at Vista and all I see is that Microsoft has been using us all to come up with ideas, designs, support and fixes for them. If they are having problems, as has been suggested, it likely lies in trying to compromise and utilize "X" software with all of the others. After that, they have to figure out how to keep those same programs out.
But, I'm part of the "Ignorant Masses". Yeah.
One needs little more than to Beta test a new MS product. Do that, you'll see the writing on the wall. Somewhere in the "MONOPOLY" settlement with the government, they made darn sure that they can continue to do as they please.
It's all a very handy game for Millionaires and, Billionaires.
And you know what? They will succeed. And I will upgrade. That doesn't make it right, or... better. It just makes it reality. SSDD
Now, if MS could come up with a completely secure P2P network? Hmmmm...............................
Adamness
Reply #33 Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:20 AM
Reply #33 Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:20 AM
Can't please everyone.
Some people think Microsoft shouldn't include any 'extra' software like anti-spyware, firewall, anti-virus, web browser, email app, media player, etc.
Other people, mostly the people who aren't very computer literate, want to have all of that included, so they don't have to go out looking for things they don't know about.
I think they should have two OS versions; one with the 'extras' and one with out.
Some people think Microsoft shouldn't include any 'extra' software like anti-spyware, firewall, anti-virus, web browser, email app, media player, etc.
Other people, mostly the people who aren't very computer literate, want to have all of that included, so they don't have to go out looking for things they don't know about.
I think they should have two OS versions; one with the 'extras' and one with out.
Jafo
Reply #34 Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:25 PM
Reply #34 Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:25 PM
If there are arseholes out there attacking Microsoft's consumers/customers via attacking the product with virii, spyware, etc then MS has EVERY RIGHT to provide their clientelle with adequate protection via the inclusion of firewalls, AV proggies, etc.
If that puts third-party retailers' noses out of joint well tough luck. This is not an issue of 'Monopoly' at all.... but simply fault/failing correction of an otherwise fallible product.
Hole-plugging doesn't seem to be the total solution...as virii writers simply find 'other ways'...so the only solution [apart from product updates/revisions] is to have a proactive proggy sitting there on the lookout for new 'issues'.
If it were not called an 'AV proggy' but were seemlessly integrated within the OS Kernel would that make it less, or more heinous to these anti-MS/the-man whingers?...
SSG Geezer
Reply #35 Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:06 PM
Reply #35 Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:06 PM
Too bad it appears that they need to re-write about 60% of the program and have pulled a bunch of the X-box crew over to help them. In other words; the early 2007 release may be wishful thinking.
bmetelsky
Reply #36 Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:21 PM
Reply #36 Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:21 PM
I believe that the re-writing may be just about rumour.
SSG Geezer
Reply #37 Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:11 PM
Reply #37 Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:11 PM
There are multiple note on the problems they are having on slashdot, and Rahul Sood's blog also talks about delays, although he does not specifically say that it is due to the functions associated with media players and such.
I guess too much DRm causes problems for coders too.
I guess too much DRm causes problems for coders too.
thomassen
Reply #38 Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:35 AM
Reply #38 Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:35 AM
The 60% rewrite rumor is false: http://www.longhornblogs.com/robert/archive/2006/03/24/16039.aspx
Eh?
| I guess too much DRm causes problems for coders too. |
Eh?
Island Dog
Reply #39 Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:09 AM
Reply #39 Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:09 AM
| Eh? |
Don't bother. It's just another anti-Microsoft thought.
SSG Geezer
Reply #40 Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:18 PM
Reply #40 Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:18 PM
I am not a Anti-MS Penguinista. I just dislike copy protections like starfarce and a DVD player that only allows me to change regions 4 times before disabling a piece of equipment I paid for. I watch movies in Korean that i purchased there and if it has regional encoding on it I screw myself if I watch it on my new laptop.
If all they wanted was 64 bit compatibility, why didn't they just update XP 64 bit's drivers and programs and license windowblinds from Stardock?
Here is some interesting stuff I just found through Slashdot~
More rumblings from the belly of MS. Their employees want heads to roll for the delays in Vista and Office 2007. Link
If all they wanted was 64 bit compatibility, why didn't they just update XP 64 bit's drivers and programs and license windowblinds from Stardock?
Here is some interesting stuff I just found through Slashdot~
More rumblings from the belly of MS. Their employees want heads to roll for the delays in Vista and Office 2007. Link
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Reply #21 Saturday, March 4, 2006 10:52 PM
Yeah, every OS has holes. But at least according to the article, Microsoft isolated parts of Vista so a virus or worm can't do as much damage. Yet.