Symantec sticks Microsoft with law suit...
Trying to halt Vista...
Friday, May 19, 2006 by RPGFX | Discussion: Microsoft
An aritcle on www.pcworld.com talks about Symantec suing Mircosoft to stop development of Vista...
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starkers
Reply #3 Friday, May 19, 2006 5:29 PM
Reply #3 Friday, May 19, 2006 5:29 PM
Symantec are only doing this cos they're scared of competition from MS's Vista security measures....hope they lose big time.
sTonEbLuE
Reply #4 Friday, May 19, 2006 6:00 PM
Reply #4 Friday, May 19, 2006 6:00 PM
| Symantec are only doing this cos they're scared of competition from MS's Vista security measures....hope they lose big time. |
Island Dog
Reply #5 Friday, May 19, 2006 6:05 PM
Reply #5 Friday, May 19, 2006 6:05 PM
Someone should sue Symantec for making such terrible software.
Jafo
Reply #6 Friday, May 19, 2006 7:31 PM
Reply #6 Friday, May 19, 2006 7:31 PM
MS can always counter-sue Symantec for its propensity to disable [permanently] the BITS requiring a full re-install of SP2 to recover it....
If MS needs financial assistance...I'll happily donate my dumped NAV subscription that is still current.
starkers
Reply #7 Friday, May 19, 2006 11:30 PM
Too true....a WW Class action of all who suffered broken BITS. And no, Bichur, that doesn't include broken throbbers....sorry.
Hopefully MS will have he last laugh and make Symantec products 'non-compatible wih system 32 applications' in Vista.
Reply #7 Friday, May 19, 2006 11:30 PM
| Someone should sue Symantec for making such terrible software. |
Too true....a WW Class action of all who suffered broken BITS. And no, Bichur, that doesn't include broken throbbers....sorry.
Hopefully MS will have he last laugh and make Symantec products 'non-compatible wih system 32 applications' in Vista.
speedy5662
Reply #8 Friday, May 19, 2006 11:51 PM
Reply #8 Friday, May 19, 2006 11:51 PM
Symantec Products SUCK.....It's proven by me and anyone who has the smarts to use AVG.. I know a really huge software maker that is facing a potential lawsuit for incorporating a virus into their software and they are in denial of this because "we use norton a.v. professional" 
It's so funny that people fall for symantec's bullsh** AV or anything made by them.
GO Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!! <<<<< You'll never see that from me again!!! Unless MS can do something right from here on...LOL
Speedy
It's so funny that people fall for symantec's bullsh** AV or anything made by them. GO Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!! <<<<< You'll never see that from me again!!! Unless MS can do something right from here on...LOL
Speedy
StephanA
Reply #9 Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:26 AM
Reply #9 Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:26 AM
Jafo
I suffered broken BITS. Do I un-install SP2 and then re-install? Anything that I have to watch not to screw-up the system?
Advice would be appreciated.
I suffered broken BITS. Do I un-install SP2 and then re-install? Anything that I have to watch not to screw-up the system?
Advice would be appreciated.
Jafo
Reply #10 Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:40 AM
Reply #10 Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:40 AM
StephanA ...I can't remember if I uninstalled it then re-installed....[probably did].
I'd tried the sequence of repairs listed on a site link back then...you know...try this...if it doesn't work try the next [more complex step]...if not then...etc.
Final solution after a half dozen 'if nots' was reinstall SP2...
So I did, and it worked just fine....
I'll try to find the old thread...
Jafo
Reply #11 Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:44 AM
Reply #11 Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:44 AM
https://www.wincustomize.com/forums.aspx?SID=1&AID=81379
That's the one....bit of a 'saga'...
George Rogers Jr
Reply #13 Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:51 AM
Reply #13 Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:51 AM
Thank GOD I'm privy to this website...I just about bought the Norton Suite package - AV/Spyware/Ghost the works! Thx Paul - you saved me alot of unnecessary HEADACHES!! 
Zoomba
Reply #14 Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:16 AM
Reply #14 Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:16 AM
Symantec's consumer line of products is absolute crap... I've had a number of systems hosed by SystemWorks, AV, and even the old Norton Utilities. My experiences with Symantec since around 2000 though have been with their corporate AV client, which seems to behave a LOT better.
That said, I finally got sick of even that after having to deal with Symantec so much at work (I work in the security area, so we have a lot of symantec crap to deal with and the company can be a real b*tch to work with) I dumped SAV 10 Corporate edition on my home PC and picked up a copy of Kaspersky AV. If you ever go and look at the charts comparing McAfee, Symantec and Kaspersky, you'll see Kaspersky in the lead in terms of how quickly new viruses are blocked and how many files it can scan that the others can't (i.e. .rar files). Also got a chance to chat with a Kaspersky engineer, and the dude was WAY more knowledgeable than his Symantec counterpart. I was very impressed.
That said, I finally got sick of even that after having to deal with Symantec so much at work (I work in the security area, so we have a lot of symantec crap to deal with and the company can be a real b*tch to work with) I dumped SAV 10 Corporate edition on my home PC and picked up a copy of Kaspersky AV. If you ever go and look at the charts comparing McAfee, Symantec and Kaspersky, you'll see Kaspersky in the lead in terms of how quickly new viruses are blocked and how many files it can scan that the others can't (i.e. .rar files). Also got a chance to chat with a Kaspersky engineer, and the dude was WAY more knowledgeable than his Symantec counterpart. I was very impressed.
sa33od
Reply #15 Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:04 PM
Reply #15 Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:04 PM
I agree with the idea of Symantec being scared of the next gen W-Vista security system. I've did many web searches and many other testing on Vista Beta 1, and I must tell you that the security and virus detection of Windows Vista beats anything I have ever seen until now! Symantec intentionally produces products that are not complete in order to let you buy the full package; if the anti-virus detects and deletes a virus then one of the registry files is gone so you have to go buy another symantec product that restores lost files, then you go and buy that product and find out that the lose of that registry file has opened a way for spy-ware to enter your PC, so you go back again to buy a Symantec product that kills spy-wares! and the band keeps playing the song!!
I even tired comparing Vista to Mac's new edition and I found out that compared to how many code lines are involved in creating Vista (Vista has 4 times more codes than Mac), I think that Windows Vista is going to be a major shift in the history of Computer security and protection; And in his last 15 minutes interview, Bill Gates assures people that Vista is what all of the PC users have been waiting for since Windows 95! He even claims that the level of protection in Windows Vista is going to be monitored and updated minute by minute through a specialized team of virus and spy-ware programmers all for free! (Of course after buying the OS it self).
So, Symantec surely has got some sand in their butt holes, where it itches them so much to the point that they can't handle it anymore; such losers deserve a punch in their faces from Microsoft, inside the courts of law, which will happen eventually.
I even tired comparing Vista to Mac's new edition and I found out that compared to how many code lines are involved in creating Vista (Vista has 4 times more codes than Mac), I think that Windows Vista is going to be a major shift in the history of Computer security and protection; And in his last 15 minutes interview, Bill Gates assures people that Vista is what all of the PC users have been waiting for since Windows 95! He even claims that the level of protection in Windows Vista is going to be monitored and updated minute by minute through a specialized team of virus and spy-ware programmers all for free! (Of course after buying the OS it self).
So, Symantec surely has got some sand in their butt holes, where it itches them so much to the point that they can't handle it anymore; such losers deserve a punch in their faces from Microsoft, inside the courts of law, which will happen eventually.
Double Zero
Reply #16 Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:29 PM
Isnt that odd though, one of the biggest cry-babies about piracy founded the company on it..LoL..
Personally I hope MS wins this one though, Symantec has caused me more headaches than I can count, I would have rather dealt with the worms and Virii, LoL.
Reply #16 Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:29 PM
| I bet Microsoft loses again. They steal and then pay. |
Isnt that odd though, one of the biggest cry-babies about piracy founded the company on it..LoL..
Personally I hope MS wins this one though, Symantec has caused me more headaches than I can count, I would have rather dealt with the worms and Virii, LoL.
Robert Grenader
Reply #17 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:24 PM
Reply #17 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:24 PM
Just another case of a company seeing its market share dissappear or who cannot compete with Microsoft. Boo F-ing Hoo.
Adamness
Reply #18 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:33 PM
Reply #18 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:33 PM
Aw, don't be so hard on Symantec. It's much easier for them to sue than create a product that, you know, works.
schekker
Reply #19 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:48 PM
Reply #19 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:48 PM
So much for justice, sight. On the face of it, Symantec has a legimate complaint.
Whether it will hold is up to the courts, but Symantec is defending its businesses here, it is not trolling or a phishing expedition. And about all I hear here is 'I hope they loose because their products suck'. Well, if that is the new rule for justice, I know some more companies which should be sued, just because I don't like them
Note that the area Symantec is sueing about its storage technology, not its anti virus business, and that they have been in negotations with Microsoft for more than a year about it before sueing.
So I hope that the rightful one will win here, whether it'll be Microsoft or Symantec. And I hope their lawyer bills will go through the roof
Whether it will hold is up to the courts, but Symantec is defending its businesses here, it is not trolling or a phishing expedition. And about all I hear here is 'I hope they loose because their products suck'. Well, if that is the new rule for justice, I know some more companies which should be sued, just because I don't like them
Note that the area Symantec is sueing about its storage technology, not its anti virus business, and that they have been in negotations with Microsoft for more than a year about it before sueing.
So I hope that the rightful one will win here, whether it'll be Microsoft or Symantec. And I hope their lawyer bills will go through the roof
starkers
Reply #20 Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:30 PM
That may be so, but their premise is to stop Vista reaching the shelves....in essence to protect their security business because they can't compete technologically with the features in Vista. In other words, can't beat 'em with better products/business practices, so we'll throw a spanner in the works and take 'em to court.
I haven't been fortunate enough to have played with the Vista beta's, and it may have had its teething problems, but it seems to be a step in the right direction for OSes and I certainly hope Symantec's claim against MS goes down the crapper....along with their crappy 'so-called' security products.
Reply #20 Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:30 PM
| Note that the area Symantec is sueing about its storage technology, not its anti virus business, |
That may be so, but their premise is to stop Vista reaching the shelves....in essence to protect their security business because they can't compete technologically with the features in Vista. In other words, can't beat 'em with better products/business practices, so we'll throw a spanner in the works and take 'em to court.
I haven't been fortunate enough to have played with the Vista beta's, and it may have had its teething problems, but it seems to be a step in the right direction for OSes and I certainly hope Symantec's claim against MS goes down the crapper....along with their crappy 'so-called' security products.
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Reply #1 Friday, May 19, 2006 3:49 PM