Why Vista? Why 64 Bit? The Answers Are in the Questions!
Sunday, February 25, 2007 by Gideon MacLeish | Discussion: Personal Computing
The question was asked on another blog about why anyone would insist on 64 bit computing at this time when the technology is so new and computers are problematic. The same question, honestly, could be asked about Windows Vista, as a replacement for XP, which is a capable operating system, despite what I may usually think about it.
Now the question may be valid for the average end user, but for IT pros, it's a no brainer. The simple truth is, while you may make purchasing suggestions, usually it is someone else who ultimately makes the decisions, and if you're not on top of the game, you'll find yourself pretty quickly obsolete. There are a lot of business owners who haven't forgotten the insane 90's when a computer was obsolete as soon as it popped out of the box. They don't want to repeat that debacle with their networks today, and as soon as a contemporary mentions the hottest buzzword, they are asking questions, questions an IT pro needs to be able to answer.
As a support technician, my workplace has not upgraded to Vista. If I didn't have a working computer elsewhere (school) loaded with Vista, I'd be drawing a blank when users call in with Vista related questions. End users don't HAVE a choice in operating systems, or at least not one they are aware of, when they purchase their computers. They basically get whatever the manufacturer loads, and you can't find manufacturers loading their machines with XP. Getting a new machine loaded with LINUX is actually easier than getting a new one loaded with XP.
Because I've used both operating systems, I can make an informed decision. The same can be said of 64 bit computing. If you haven't worked with it, it's hard to give the kind of decision that a manager n eeds; the kind of decision that will give them confidence in decisions that you make in the future.
By the end of the year, I should have a home network with at least 5 computers (and hopefully a server...we're in negotiations...lol!) I hope to run a variety of platforms, and a variety of different hardware configurations, from my "dinosaur" PIII Linux machine on up to my TRS-80 case mod (it's gonna be HOTT! Man!). As I peruse IT employment sites, I see a lot of demand for cross platform experience. And I intend to meet that demand (but Mac still sucks! LOL!)
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xtine
Reply #22 Thursday, March 1, 2007 12:09 AM
oh yeah, it's got that too. And while the idea of 64 bit computing is COOL in theory, I'll wait a long, long time until there's a nice stable, easy OS to put into personal practical application.
I don't think I'll have to think about it til they upgrade at work, and I don't think they'll be doing that too awful soon.
(There's not a whole lot of thinking going on in that last sentence...)
Reply #22 Thursday, March 1, 2007 12:09 AM
128 mb video card
oh yeah, it's got that too. And while the idea of 64 bit computing is COOL in theory, I'll wait a long, long time until there's a nice stable, easy OS to put into personal practical application.
I don't think I'll have to think about it til they upgrade at work, and I don't think they'll be doing that too awful soon.
(There's not a whole lot of thinking going on in that last sentence...)
Gideon MacLeish
Reply #23 Thursday, March 1, 2007 12:12 AM
Don't worry, I'm sure Linux will come through for you.
Oops...did I say that? I think that means Bill Gates will be siccing his goons on me!
Reply #23 Thursday, March 1, 2007 12:12 AM
oh yeah, it's got that too. And while the idea of 64 bit computing is COOL in theory, I'll wait a long, long time until there's a nice stable, easy OS to put into personal practical application.
Don't worry, I'm sure Linux will come through for you.
Oops...did I say that? I think that means Bill Gates will be siccing his goons on me!
jc014c4710
Reply #24 Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:34 AM
Reply #24 Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:34 AM
Iv'e been running x64 since early 2006.Firstly XP Pro x64,and now Vista Ultimate x64.In the early days,yes it was a pain,very nearly went back to XP 32,now glad i stuck with it.I remember sending countless emails to hardware and software manufacturers asking,no begging,for x64 support,to no avail.Even developed drivers for my TV card myself.So it was with much doubt and fear that i pressed the "Install Now"button on my Vista x64 Beta 1 DVD, allowing it to upgrade from a perfect Win XP Pro x64 installation,approx 120gig of data would have to be reinstalled if it went tits up.After a couple of hours of dreaded anticipiation Vista started for the first time.NICE i thought,now lets see what works and what dos'nt.A couple of old games did,nt,no great loss.Hardware,scanner,webcam,needed driver reinstall.So when Vista Beta 2 came along i did'nt hesitate.Things got better.Vista RTM came along "WOW" everything installed staight out of the box,even my poor old TV card.So come on guys there's nothing to be scared of,no scary monsters under the bed.x64 is here to stay and so is Vista.Why have x64 hardware and run a 32bit OS?.All the hard works been done,by we pioneers.
xtine
Reply #25 Thursday, March 1, 2007 1:28 PM
I said EASY! I'm not tech-savvy enough for (l)unix.
yuk yuk yuk!!!
Reply #25 Thursday, March 1, 2007 1:28 PM
I'm sure Linux will come through for you
I said EASY! I'm not tech-savvy enough for (l)unix.
I remember sending countless emails to hardware and software manufacturers asking,no begging,for x64 support,to no avail.
yuk yuk yuk!!!
vStyler
Reply #26 Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:31 PM
Asked and answered
Reply #26 Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:31 PM
Why have x64 hardware and run a 32bit OS?.
Asked and answered
Phoon
Reply #27 Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:31 PM
That is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen in a long time.
I'm not going to get into the reasons why I have had issues with Vista on my home pc as I have shared that info in other threads.
I am using it on a couple of systems at work, at the present time and I will tell you that from the perspective of an enterprise class domain admin, Vista is a living nightmare that has proven over and over again how it will not run apps that are mission critical AT THIS TIME. The software vendors are working to resolve those issues but it will be later this year before said issues are fixed. In the meantime, try to explain to end users (with high influences) that are using vista on a home pc why we cannot deploy it in our network environment at this time.
As a matter of fact, most web apps that are mission critical will not even run on IE7 in an XP environment.
The Vista Ball has been dropped by so many people that it is impossible to lay the blame on any one entity. MS should have done a better job preparing vendors, and vendors should have done a better job of preparing. In any case the end users suffer. Hmmm, but of course sales are low because of piracy... my @!!.
Reply #27 Thursday, March 1, 2007 2:31 PM
The most annoying thing about Windows Vista so far is all the damned whiners.
That is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen in a long time.
I'm not going to get into the reasons why I have had issues with Vista on my home pc as I have shared that info in other threads.
I am using it on a couple of systems at work, at the present time and I will tell you that from the perspective of an enterprise class domain admin, Vista is a living nightmare that has proven over and over again how it will not run apps that are mission critical AT THIS TIME. The software vendors are working to resolve those issues but it will be later this year before said issues are fixed. In the meantime, try to explain to end users (with high influences) that are using vista on a home pc why we cannot deploy it in our network environment at this time.
As a matter of fact, most web apps that are mission critical will not even run on IE7 in an XP environment.
The Vista Ball has been dropped by so many people that it is impossible to lay the blame on any one entity. MS should have done a better job preparing vendors, and vendors should have done a better job of preparing. In any case the end users suffer. Hmmm, but of course sales are low because of piracy... my @!!.
Foxwolfen
Reply #28 Thursday, March 1, 2007 3:40 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, March 1, 2007 3:40 PM
I agree, a lot of you are misinformed, or basing your judgments on personal, limited and subjective experience.
There is nothing wrong with 64bit computing. If it does not work for you then you are likely using hardware or software that does not comply to MS hardware or software programming standards, or you do not know what you are doing. This is not the fault of Microsoft.
My 64 bit setups run perfectly, all hardware has drivers and the vast majority of it is WHQL. There are virtually no applications that fail. Things like Autocad, Photoshop, Maya, AVID, Cubase, korg music synthesizers, FSX, Tablets, programmable keyboards, HDV (HDA is currently broken in 64, but nobody uses it anyway) all work flawlessly as 32bit apps. And, because the underlying architecture is different(server code in x64), it is actually quite a bit faster than win32 as its better optimized (Even In WOW and I have the stats to prove it - we have tested this extensively).
It is nearly flipping perfect.
Why is it so perfect? Because I did some friggin research before buying new hardware, and am experienced enough to know that these things take time to get going for any new OS, be it by MS, Apple, Sun or Linux.
And no credible person in IT would deploy IE7 in the workplace... no credible IT shop runs the latest, they run the most stable. Its called Zero Down Time Tolerance. And no credible IT manager would deploy Vista on a network except as a network connected desktop PC ... its not designed for Enterprise Level Computing, Windows Server and Client are.
Who gives a crap what (influential) people are using at home or as a workplace PC (verses a proper client). A file is a file. As long as the application format is the same, the platform architecture is irrelevant (I have a mix of Unix and Windows of all kinds on the network here and they all run like they were one machine. Via a network, no end user would ever need know what the host platform is running as long as the data is compatible.
64 bit is here to stay and its not just welcome, its necessary. In two years, you will not even be able to run many high end app on Win32 because of the memory addressability limit and the need for enhanced threading.
And in ten years, when we jump to 128bit, we will be having this conversation all over again. Its called evolution. Get with it.
There is nothing wrong with 64bit computing. If it does not work for you then you are likely using hardware or software that does not comply to MS hardware or software programming standards, or you do not know what you are doing. This is not the fault of Microsoft.
My 64 bit setups run perfectly, all hardware has drivers and the vast majority of it is WHQL. There are virtually no applications that fail. Things like Autocad, Photoshop, Maya, AVID, Cubase, korg music synthesizers, FSX, Tablets, programmable keyboards, HDV (HDA is currently broken in 64, but nobody uses it anyway) all work flawlessly as 32bit apps. And, because the underlying architecture is different(server code in x64), it is actually quite a bit faster than win32 as its better optimized (Even In WOW and I have the stats to prove it - we have tested this extensively).
It is nearly flipping perfect.
Why is it so perfect? Because I did some friggin research before buying new hardware, and am experienced enough to know that these things take time to get going for any new OS, be it by MS, Apple, Sun or Linux.
And no credible person in IT would deploy IE7 in the workplace... no credible IT shop runs the latest, they run the most stable. Its called Zero Down Time Tolerance. And no credible IT manager would deploy Vista on a network except as a network connected desktop PC ... its not designed for Enterprise Level Computing, Windows Server and Client are.
Who gives a crap what (influential) people are using at home or as a workplace PC (verses a proper client). A file is a file. As long as the application format is the same, the platform architecture is irrelevant (I have a mix of Unix and Windows of all kinds on the network here and they all run like they were one machine. Via a network, no end user would ever need know what the host platform is running as long as the data is compatible.
64 bit is here to stay and its not just welcome, its necessary. In two years, you will not even be able to run many high end app on Win32 because of the memory addressability limit and the need for enhanced threading.
And in ten years, when we jump to 128bit, we will be having this conversation all over again. Its called evolution. Get with it.
vStyler
Reply #29 Thursday, March 1, 2007 4:36 PM
For the third time.. If..what you use and need.. doesnt work.. case closed.
I'll wait.. till it.. works.
Reply #29 Thursday, March 1, 2007 4:36 PM
I agree, a lot of you are misinformed, or basing your judgments on personal, limited and subjective experience.
For the third time.. If..what you use and need.. doesnt work.. case closed.
I'll wait.. till it.. works.
Dr Guy
Reply #30 Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:05 PM
Reply #30 Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:05 PM
I hear some whining. I hear a lot of griping. But Foxwolfen said it. It is coming. Be on the bleeding edge or the curl. It will be here.
For my clients, I dont recommend bleeding. For me? Cut me. Do I not bleed?
For my clients, I dont recommend bleeding. For me? Cut me. Do I not bleed?
LoveSensualityDevotion
Reply #32 Friday, March 2, 2007 4:49 AM
Reply #32 Friday, March 2, 2007 4:49 AM
Beside the fact that Vista is experiencing the same "sickness" of Windows Xp when it first came out (not every single driver was available, compatibility issues and so on, so on...), you should explain some of my customers this "statement of yours" (see below...)
"End users don't HAVE a choice in operating systems, or at least not one they are aware of, when they purchase their computers. They basically get whatever the manufacturer loads, and you can't find manufacturers loading their machines with XP. Getting a new machine loaded with LINUX is actually easier than getting a new one loaded with XP."
Ahem, dude, where are you living, the Moon...? There is still plenty of choices for the less than average to the average and high-end user to buy Windows Xp Pro/Media Center-based computers. If you check online, there are plenty of desktop and laptops/notebooks available with Windows Xp, ranging from $400 to over $7,000 (see Dell, Acer, HP/Compaq, Lenovo and so on...)...You might want to stay a bit more up-to-date, "Mr. Support Technician"...
More..."Getting a new machine loaded with LINUX is actually easier than getting a new one loaded with XP."....Ahem, it maybe true that more machines are coming out with Linux...but wait, are we still talking about "average customers"...? Because if we are... uhm, majority of "average customers" can't even deal with the "problems" given by Windows Xp (less than the beginning but still lots) and you want to give them Linux-based machines...(since installation to running to software updates Linux IS NOT a machine for the "average Joe"...
And more..."(but Mac still sucks! LOL!)"...WOW, that's even better...
What's your take in that, Mr Support Technician...? Is that maybe because Macs are the most widely used systems as high-end machines (see video and audio softwares widely used by communications, advertisement companies) ? Or because they are so good that "almost never" crash, programs rarely fail/quit ?
Or you simply don't like Mac because they are not good for chatting or games...?
Macs were NOT made for chatting or games. Macs are NOT average user machines (although few more average Joes are finding them far more appealing than Windows-based machines)...
Let's see...
1) You suggest a machine to your customer based on his/her needs.
2) You have the ability and the knowledge to present your customer with a wide choice (from few hundreds bucks to over $10,000) (again, based on his/her needs)...
3) You ARE informed about the old, not so old and the latest technology so that you are a respectable Tech and/or seller..
4) You have the knowledge to be able to define the differences between different systems and/or different brands and not just say that one "still sucks"...
5) If I were to read/listen to you as a It tech or seller, I would never buy/take any advice from you because you sound the classic "big store chain" seller (and it really doesn't matter for which company or country) who would say anything to sell anything...
Last but not least...finally VISTA !
What's wrong with it...? Nice to see, new Os (not a big deal since we are used to Microsoft line-up of Os's in the past 15 years...Dos, Windows 95/98/Me/2000/2003Xp/Xp Media Center/Vista, wow, does it ever end...?), same initial troubles as Windows Xp (compatibility issues, lack of specific drivers, unexpected behavior and so on...)...
Still, would you recommend Vista to someone who needs a machine to check emails or surf the web...? If you do, either you don't care about the customer or you never seen/used Vista or never really realized how many "customers" still deal with Xp problems today (hardware and software) and it's one of the many reasons why companies like Hp/Compaq, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Asus and so on still HAVE customer support personnel (yes, I worked for one of these companies) for the average "Joe" and non.
So, while Windows Vista is "cool" (I have Vista Ultimate on my laptop and it's doing pretty good although I have a high-end one), there are still very few programs which runs fine or with very few "flaws" and there are still drivers compatibility issues just like Windows Xp in the beginning....and therefore it's "still" not really something you would suggest the average "customer" to buy (beside the price tag of more than $300 just for Vista and more for Office 2007!!!)
64 bit computing...? Tell me how many programs natively runs in 64 bit then explain your customers why even Macs (which are 64 bit platforms) and Mac OS X (which is a 64 bit OS) still have to provide "Universal" so that majority of today's software can run, NATIVELY as 64 bit applications...
These are some of the reasons why I never buy computers from companies like Futureshop/cdw/compusa (etc, etc, etc) and why I always have customers thanking me for not letting them waste money and time with systems/Os's that are inappropriate for them...
And other reasons where it happens that I NEVER, in my life, had to call Customer Support...
Not everybody can be this lucky but doesn't mean that misleading information should be given as well...Knowledge and balance of opinion should be the main rule but we can all see that it still doesn't happen (and it's 2007, folks) and it may never happen...
Just a few thoughts from an ex customer support agent and a hardware-software technician whose customers appreciate for his honesty and judgement, not for his BS...
And thank God Big companies STILL DID NOT upgraded to Vista..!!!
"End users don't HAVE a choice in operating systems, or at least not one they are aware of, when they purchase their computers. They basically get whatever the manufacturer loads, and you can't find manufacturers loading their machines with XP. Getting a new machine loaded with LINUX is actually easier than getting a new one loaded with XP."
Ahem, dude, where are you living, the Moon...? There is still plenty of choices for the less than average to the average and high-end user to buy Windows Xp Pro/Media Center-based computers. If you check online, there are plenty of desktop and laptops/notebooks available with Windows Xp, ranging from $400 to over $7,000 (see Dell, Acer, HP/Compaq, Lenovo and so on...)...You might want to stay a bit more up-to-date, "Mr. Support Technician"...
More..."Getting a new machine loaded with LINUX is actually easier than getting a new one loaded with XP."....Ahem, it maybe true that more machines are coming out with Linux...but wait, are we still talking about "average customers"...? Because if we are... uhm, majority of "average customers" can't even deal with the "problems" given by Windows Xp (less than the beginning but still lots) and you want to give them Linux-based machines...(since installation to running to software updates Linux IS NOT a machine for the "average Joe"...
And more..."(but Mac still sucks! LOL!)"...WOW, that's even better...
What's your take in that, Mr Support Technician...? Is that maybe because Macs are the most widely used systems as high-end machines (see video and audio softwares widely used by communications, advertisement companies) ? Or because they are so good that "almost never" crash, programs rarely fail/quit ?
Or you simply don't like Mac because they are not good for chatting or games...?
Macs were NOT made for chatting or games. Macs are NOT average user machines (although few more average Joes are finding them far more appealing than Windows-based machines)...
Let's see...
1) You suggest a machine to your customer based on his/her needs.
2) You have the ability and the knowledge to present your customer with a wide choice (from few hundreds bucks to over $10,000) (again, based on his/her needs)...
3) You ARE informed about the old, not so old and the latest technology so that you are a respectable Tech and/or seller..
4) You have the knowledge to be able to define the differences between different systems and/or different brands and not just say that one "still sucks"...
5) If I were to read/listen to you as a It tech or seller, I would never buy/take any advice from you because you sound the classic "big store chain" seller (and it really doesn't matter for which company or country) who would say anything to sell anything...
Last but not least...finally VISTA !
What's wrong with it...? Nice to see, new Os (not a big deal since we are used to Microsoft line-up of Os's in the past 15 years...Dos, Windows 95/98/Me/2000/2003Xp/Xp Media Center/Vista, wow, does it ever end...?), same initial troubles as Windows Xp (compatibility issues, lack of specific drivers, unexpected behavior and so on...)...
Still, would you recommend Vista to someone who needs a machine to check emails or surf the web...? If you do, either you don't care about the customer or you never seen/used Vista or never really realized how many "customers" still deal with Xp problems today (hardware and software) and it's one of the many reasons why companies like Hp/Compaq, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Asus and so on still HAVE customer support personnel (yes, I worked for one of these companies) for the average "Joe" and non.
So, while Windows Vista is "cool" (I have Vista Ultimate on my laptop and it's doing pretty good although I have a high-end one), there are still very few programs which runs fine or with very few "flaws" and there are still drivers compatibility issues just like Windows Xp in the beginning....and therefore it's "still" not really something you would suggest the average "customer" to buy (beside the price tag of more than $300 just for Vista and more for Office 2007!!!)
64 bit computing...? Tell me how many programs natively runs in 64 bit then explain your customers why even Macs (which are 64 bit platforms) and Mac OS X (which is a 64 bit OS) still have to provide "Universal" so that majority of today's software can run, NATIVELY as 64 bit applications...
These are some of the reasons why I never buy computers from companies like Futureshop/cdw/compusa (etc, etc, etc) and why I always have customers thanking me for not letting them waste money and time with systems/Os's that are inappropriate for them...
And other reasons where it happens that I NEVER, in my life, had to call Customer Support...
Not everybody can be this lucky but doesn't mean that misleading information should be given as well...Knowledge and balance of opinion should be the main rule but we can all see that it still doesn't happen (and it's 2007, folks) and it may never happen...
Just a few thoughts from an ex customer support agent and a hardware-software technician whose customers appreciate for his honesty and judgement, not for his BS...
And thank God Big companies STILL DID NOT upgraded to Vista..!!!
vStyler
Reply #33 Friday, March 2, 2007 7:16 AM
Reply #33 Friday, March 2, 2007 7:16 AM
@ (Citizen)LoveSensualityDevotionMarch 2, 2007 04:49:24
Finally someone making sense.
what about it?
Finally someone making sense.
No one's mentioned DirectX 10.
what about it?
LoveSensualityDevotion
Reply #34 Friday, March 2, 2007 8:36 AM
Reply #34 Friday, March 2, 2007 8:36 AM
Sorry, it should have been :
"64 bit computing...? Tell me how many programs natively runs in 64 bit then explain your customers why even Macs (which are 64 bit platforms) and Mac OS X (which is a 64 bit OS) still have to provide "Universal" so that majority of today's 32 Bit software can run, in a 64 bit platforms and OS...since 99% of the biggest companies (see Adobe, Autodesk and so on), still don't have full 64 bit releases of their software...
P.S. Forgot to mention :
5 desktop computers :
2 Windows Xp Media Center, 1 Windows Xp Professional, 1 Ubuntu 6.10, 1 Fedora Core 6.
1 Laptop/Notebook : Windows Vista Ultimate
In the past owned : 1 PowerMac DualCore 2.0GHz Best Graphical Machine I Ever Had...
"64 bit computing...? Tell me how many programs natively runs in 64 bit then explain your customers why even Macs (which are 64 bit platforms) and Mac OS X (which is a 64 bit OS) still have to provide "Universal" so that majority of today's 32 Bit software can run, in a 64 bit platforms and OS...since 99% of the biggest companies (see Adobe, Autodesk and so on), still don't have full 64 bit releases of their software...
P.S. Forgot to mention :
5 desktop computers :
2 Windows Xp Media Center, 1 Windows Xp Professional, 1 Ubuntu 6.10, 1 Fedora Core 6.
1 Laptop/Notebook : Windows Vista Ultimate
In the past owned : 1 PowerMac DualCore 2.0GHz Best Graphical Machine I Ever Had...
jc014c4710
Reply #35 Saturday, March 3, 2007 2:40 AM
Reply #35 Saturday, March 3, 2007 2:40 AM
Windows Vista ships with DirectX 10 and is the only version of Windows which it is offered for, and it has a large number of changes: DirectInput will be deprecated in favor of XInput, from the Xbox team. Likewise, DirectSound will also be deprecated in favor of XACT. DirectX 10 has also dropped support for hardware accelerated audio, opting instead to render sound in software on the CPU. DirectPlay is deprecated in favor of Xbox Live whereas DirectShow will be deprecated in favor of Media Foundation, a different set of APIs debuting with Windows Vista to handle audio and video playback. DirectMusic will probably remain the only component intact.Looks like there's gonna be a lot of people stuffed in the future if they stay with XP. Win 95 to XP was Round 1 of the IT technology revolution, Round 2 has just begun.Get onboard or Die.
UBoB
Reply #36 Saturday, March 3, 2007 3:25 PM
That is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen in a long time.
I'm not going to get into the reasons why I have had issues with Vista on my home pc as I have shared that info in other threads.
I am using it on a couple of systems at work, at the present time and I will tell you that from the perspective of an enterprise class domain admin, Vista is a living nightmare that has proven over and over again how it will not run apps that are mission critical AT THIS TIME. The software vendors are working to resolve those issues but it will be later this year before said issues are fixed. In the meantime, try to explain to end users (with high influences) that are using vista on a home pc why we cannot deploy it in our network environment at this time.
As a matter of fact, most web apps that are mission critical will not even run on IE7 in an XP environment.
The Vista Ball has been dropped by so many people that it is impossible to lay the blame on any one entity. MS should have done a better job preparing vendors, and vendors should have done a better job of preparing. In any case the end users suffer. Hmmm, but of course sales are low because of piracy... my @!!.
You have a flair for the ironic. 
Reply #36 Saturday, March 3, 2007 3:25 PM
The most annoying thing about Windows Vista so far is all the damned whiners.
That is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen in a long time.
I'm not going to get into the reasons why I have had issues with Vista on my home pc as I have shared that info in other threads.
I am using it on a couple of systems at work, at the present time and I will tell you that from the perspective of an enterprise class domain admin, Vista is a living nightmare that has proven over and over again how it will not run apps that are mission critical AT THIS TIME. The software vendors are working to resolve those issues but it will be later this year before said issues are fixed. In the meantime, try to explain to end users (with high influences) that are using vista on a home pc why we cannot deploy it in our network environment at this time.
As a matter of fact, most web apps that are mission critical will not even run on IE7 in an XP environment.
The Vista Ball has been dropped by so many people that it is impossible to lay the blame on any one entity. MS should have done a better job preparing vendors, and vendors should have done a better job of preparing. In any case the end users suffer. Hmmm, but of course sales are low because of piracy... my @!!.
You have a flair for the ironic. 
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Reply #21 Thursday, March 1, 2007 12:02 AM
I won't bash Media Center. The truth is, contrary to popular belief, you can even join Media Center onto a domain (it's a simple registry edit). Media Center is much, MUCH better than Home.
with a 2 ghz proc and 2gb RAM, you probably have a Vista capable machine. All you need is a 128 mb video card, which, if you don't have, is easy enough to get. But stay with Media Center. You already have it, and it meets your needs. It's foolish to upgrade "just because". You should have a reason for it.