GUI Championships 2008: Icon Packages
Tuesday, December 9, 2008 by Frogboy | Discussion: Personal Computing
This year for the GUI Championships, an international contest to find the world's best graphics designer for computer interfaces, we have GUI design with WindowBlinds and icon design with IconPackager as well as a new fun category this year, animated wallpaper via DeskScapes.
For the icon package judging, my job is to take a look at how good the icons are in real world use from an originality point of view, from a usability point of view and overall. The screenshots for the icons are fantastic but how good are they in actual use?
Each of the 3 judges has their own criteria for deciding what the best icons are. My criteria works as follows:
Base score of 1 through 10.
Bonus points for supporting control panel icons and lots of different file icons.
A penalty point for not supporting Windows Vista folders and another penalty point for not supporting live folders.
I also look at the icons in both their large and small sizes to see how usable they are at different resolutions. I'm using a new Stardock program called Fences that is currently in beta to organize my desktop for the screenshots.
Note that in my screenshots the short cut image doesn't get changed. Looking into that.
Brad's judging:
Red Ghost by Leilei looks pretty good artistically but lacks Windows Vista support
Originality: 5
Usability: 3
Overall: 4
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All My LIfe by Beli is an interesting concept. It doesn't really change enough icons though to be very complete and there's not quite enough variety to make it competitive but I like the style.
Originality: 4
Usability: 4
Overall: 4
Ancient Legend by Zuo Zhiyu is one of my favorites in teh contest. Good Vista support. It makes me wish IconPackager's live folder support was a bit more flexible. The artistic quality here though is really good.
Originality: 8
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Blue Memory 2 by dtu is an outstanding icon package that is very complete. Full Vista support, if these icons showed up as the default Windows 7 icons, I wouldn't have thought twice.
Originality: 3
Usability: 9
Overall: 7
Bronze Age by chuigang is a good effort. It doesn't fully support Vista but is has live folder support. I really like the folder look on this.
Originality: 6
Usability: 6
Overall: 6
Brush & Ink Stick by Jason Joanne is a pretty creative idea. If you have Windows XP, this is a pretty good package. If you have Windows Vista, you might as well skip it.
Originality: 7
Usability: 2
Overall: 5
Carving Time by Tongzhenming is a lot better than this screenshot looks. It is one of the more complete Windows XP icon packages with lots of file types changed. It's also quite creative.
Originality: 7
Usability: 5
Overall: 6
Shadow Fight by CJShadow is a pretty original concept that is reasonably complete for Windows XP but not for Windows Vista.
Originality: 7
Usability: 2
Overall: 5
Colorabo has an interesting design but I can't help but think that there's no particular overarching theme to it other than a jumble of colors. The artistic quality is quite high, I like the Audio CD icon in particular. No Windows Vista support.
Originality: 5
Usability: 5
Overall: 5
Colorful by Motozhang is a nice effort but there aren't enough icons in it to be competitive. The art quality of what's there is very good though.
Originality: 3
Usability: 2
Overall: 2
Colorful paint by kidaubis is a very stylized oriignal concept that is quite original. Bonus points for being such a complete XP package (lots of file types supported). The 16x16 version of the icons are remarkably distinct too. If this were the 2004 GUI Championships, this would likely be a finalist but the lack of Vista support is going to make it tougher this time.
Originality: 7
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Cosy Style by Knightpan is a fairly traditional design that is well executed. It has some support for Vista with live folders. It feels like an alternative OS concept. It is well executed. Bonus points for being a particularly complete XP package. Vista support is a bit weak.
Originality: 3
Usability: 8
Overall: 7
Crayin by PiscDong studio is a very nice concept that is also very well executed. Bonus points for being very complete for Windows XP. If this were the 2004 contest, this would be a definite finalist. Vista support is incomplete but this is definitely one of the best XP packages.
Originality: 7
Usability: 8
Overall: 7
Deepblue by BottleBaby is like the name describes, very blue. Good XP support, incomplete Vista support (no live folders).
Originality: 4
Usability: 6
Overall: 5
DeepSea Blue is a bi this and miss. It's not real useful on Vista but it's pretty decent on XP. Some of the icons are quite good like the hard drive and network drive icons but overall it needs more polish and more icons to be competitive.
Originality: 4
Usability: 4
Overall: 4
Delta by Javier Aroche is possibly the most original and still complete icon packages in the contest. The art quality and variation could be better but when actually using it, it feels quite unique but complete.
Originality: 8
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
demax by Rosielle highlights the need of a future IconPackager 5 to support more variations on live folders as this package clearly has folders that would work out nicely on Vista IF we had more control over live folders. Limited Vista support.
Originality: 4
Usability: 6
Overall: 5
Dislocation by 13m is a pretty clever concept. No Vista support but lots of file type support. Usability hampered by how similar the various icon types can be.
Originality: 6
Usability: 2
Overall: 4
Dreamesp by emile is a fairly traditional icon concept. No Vista support but a nice effort.
Originality: 4
Usability: 4
Overall: 4
Element by Austin is also a pretty traditional icon design that shows some good graphics design ability.
Originality: 4
Usability: 4
Overall: 4
Eliminator by TYCUS is one of the most complete icon packages in the contest. Bonus points for supporting all kinds of files including Office 2003 and Office 2007.
Originality: 7
Usability: 9
Overall: 8
Evolution by Xiaomaohua is a somewhat traditional but with a more modern feel. One could imagine Windows 8 having icons something like this. Big bonus points for not just having lots of file type icons but particularly good file type icons (see the Exel icon in the screenshot). Vista support is partial in that live folders are there but the special icons for contacts and links and such are generic.
Originality: 8
Usability: 8
Overall: 9
Flash LIve System by Gucalov Pavel is one of the better icon packages in the contest. It's a little lacking in the number of file types it supports. This one really shines on Windows Vista but is probably a little weaker on XP due to fewer file types supported.
Some of the file types it does support though look great on XP such as the .GIF and .JPG file icons.
Originality: 7
Usability: 9
Overall: 8
Flat World by Augustleo is a fine effort. But it doesn't adhere to a consistent theme really. It's essentially a collection of good artwork with a unified folder and document concept. Definitely worth trying out though.
It's worth noting that many of this year's entries, even the less competitive ones, are still better than nearly all the entries from last time which were really quite good for their time.
Originality: 4
Usability: 5
Overall: 4
fo is a very good effort and another good Windows XP based icon package. It doesn't have much support for Vista. It is quite original.
Originality: 6
Usability: 5
Overall: 5
Fortune Box by sc5vtuqi is one of the better Windows XP icon packages but is not really useful on Windows Vista. Extra points for good XP file type support.
Originality: 6
Usability: 5
Overall: 5
Glazage by PiscDong studio is a fine effort, another Windows XP centric icon package. Art style isn't really my taste but it adheres to its style well.
Originality: 5
Usability: 4
Overall: 4
Growth by Jack Nolan is one of my favorite icon packages in the contest. Very bright, easy to read at multiple resolutions, has a clean, unique look. Is highly useful on Windows XP and Windows Vista.
Originality: 8
Usability: 9
Overall: 8
Hemosiderosis by Vic Xu is an XP centric theme that has basic support for Windows Vista (Live Folders and basic personal folders).
If you have Windows XP, this is a must have. It has a very strong usable look to it whether you're on XP or Vista. Extra points for outstanding file type support (even has a unique .TIF icon!). I wish Office was supported however.
Originality: 6
Usability: 8
Overall: 7
Hybrid Nights by Kitty Malone takes some risks by being largely monochromatic. IT's a pretty original style but the subtle distinction between files makes is very hard to use. It has reasonable file type support and the artistic quality is high.
Originality: 7
Usability: 1
Overall: 5
Ice Crystals by qiuui is a nice effort for Windows XP users, no Vista support. When I say that I don't mean it doesn't work on Vista but rather that it doesn't support Vista specific icons. Very limited file type support.
Originality: 5
Usability: 3
Overall: 4
IconStore by Lillian is another good effort at creating a Windows XP centric theme. Vista support is very limited.
The art quality is first rate but there just aren't enough icons to be competitive.
Originality: 4
Usability: 2
Overall: 3
Junior by Treetog is a fine effort from one of the community's best known skinners. It has full support for XP and Vista and tremendous file type support.
Treetog's work I think could benefit from better utilizing art tools or moving to full 3D as the artwork quality is not competitive with many of the other entries (it makes up for it in completeness).
For instance, the folders are pretty unimaginative. The items in folders are first rate but the integration of items into folders seems roughly done with inconsistent perspectives used making the entire scene not quite right. It's like you can tell that the desktop image that's inside the desktop folder were thrown together. This strikes me as a limitation in whatever tools Treetog uses. Ironically, the one folder that is really well done here is the live folder.
Extra points on usability for the really good Office 2003 support (look at the Excel icon).
Originality: 5
Usability: 8
Overall: 6
Luban by Kinsen is an interesting concept of icons as gold idols. It's a clever concept but not terribly usable and no Vista support. Limited file icon support on XP.
Originality: 6
Usability: 1
Overall: 3
Koo'er by kiwi-penguin is an intersting concept but somewhat unevent in its implemtation. I like some parts of it like the hard drive and other simplistic parts but other parts are too busy to be easy to tell what they are.
Originality: 5
Usability: 5
Overall: 5
Lineless Design is one of the most original concepts in the contest. First, they are really outstanding in terms of art quality. It doesn't support Vista but the sheer creativity shown here makes this a must-have for XP users
Originality: 10
Usability: 4
Overall: 6
LittleBee is a really cool concept by Tiger that once again makes it pretty obvious that for IconPackager 5 we need to have more sophisticated live folder support in order to support better designs. This theme isn't terribly useful on Vista. But on XP it's a must have.
Bonus points for supporting lots of file types.
Originality: 8
Usability: 5
Overall: 6
Marker is anothe rentry from Mixar Penguin. An excellent XP-centric theme with limited Vista support.
Originality: 6
Usability: 7
Overall: 6
Moon Marilyn is a nice effort that takes a chance on monochromatic but it works. It's quite usable and very complete for a Windows XP theme.
Originality: 8
Usability: 7
Overall: 8
MyLife by Mi is a pretty classic style design. I don't tend to be a fan of monochromatic themes that don't have much contrast and this theme relies very heavily on blue. But it's a good effort.
Originality: 4
Overall: 4
Overall: 4
Non-Mainstream 2008 by iconboy is one of the most complete icon packages I've seen. Bonus points for lots of file type supports. It's an excellent theme for XP and Vista.
Originality: 8
Usability: 8
Overall: 8
Olympiad by Glen has unusually high art quality and very good art direction. It's got very limited support for Vista.
Originality: 8
Usability: 6
Overall: 6
Orange Alarm by Bottlebaby is one I really like but I can't put my finger on why I like it so much. It doesn't really support Vista very well but it is very complete for XP. It's not terribly useful on smaller icons (16x16 for instance).
Originality: 6
Usability: 4
Overall: 6
PaperPlane is a nice effort from Lihu1267. If this were the 2004 edition of the contest, this would be a finalist for most original. I could picture a net book with this style of icons for instance. No Vista support.
Originality: 7
Usability: 6
Overall: 7
Partikle from mommatree is a very complete icon package for XP and Vista. It's really not my style but I admire the work on it. It's not terribly useful because it's hard to tell what the icons are for.
Originality: 8
Usability: 6
Overall: 6
Peipir by PiscDong studio is another very good effort of a distinctive style. Live folder support on Vista but otherweise it's an XP theme. Very complete XP support.
Originality: 8
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Pirate's logbook by Mojo is extremely original with decent file type support but no real Vista support. A good effort.
Originality: 7
Usability: 2
Overall: 5
Plain Trust by willouye is a great theme that supports XP and Vista fully. Limited file type support and a fairly conventional design keep it from being particularly original but its high production values and completeness will probably make this a finalist in the usability and overall categories.
Originality: 4
Usability: 8
Overall: 7
Plastic Fantastic by Tiggz may be the best entry of this year in my opinion. It's extremely original and extremely usable. My only gripe is that there's no Office support built into it (support for Office icons) but otherwise this is about as good as it gets.
Originality: 10
Usability: 10
Overall: 10
Plesant by harwen is a fairly traditional UI design that has high quality artwork included. It's not as complete as I'd like i tto see, even on XP and it doesn't support Vista.
Originality: 2
Usability: 6
Overall: 5
Pure from Silencemira is another fairly traditional icon design for Windows XP. It is fairly complete for XP including a fairly nice ZIP file icon.
Originality: 3
Usability: 6
Overall: 5
Pure handwork by tongzhemming is a fantastically original concept that is simply beautiful. I really like the drive icons in particular, the USB removeable drive one looks particularly cool.
XP only but still wonderful.
Originality: 9
Usability: 5
Overall: 7
Purple Night is an interesting concept. It has partial Vista support )live folders). The problem is that it is difficult to tell with small icons what the different files are because the shapes are so similar.
Original: 5
Usability: 4
Overall: 5
Purple Silver by kidaubis is a very nice XP effort. Extra points for so many good file type icons. If you have XP, you will definitely want to try this.
Originality: 6
Usability: 8
Overall: 7
Reality, also by Kidaubis, isn't quite as good as purple silver artistically but still a very good XP effort.
Originality: 4
Usability: 5
Overall: 5
Realight Reooo by Meilexart is a traditional icon design executed with good consistency.
Originality: 4
Usability: 4
Overall: 5
ReverseIP by Digital CHET is a grayscale concept that personally I think might have been better off as a colorful icon package. The problem with grayscale is that it tends to decrease contrast which can reduce usability. The art quality is top notch.
Full XP and Vista support, users looking for a more minimalistic theme that's easy on the eyes will definitely like this.
Originality: 7
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Sifourd by PiscDong studio is an interesting idea though not quite my taste. Good XP support. Live folder support on Vista. Extra points for good file type support. The art direction and quality is a bit weak though.
Originality: 6
Usability: 6
Overall: 5
SilverBlue is another great theme from Kidaubis who has created another top notch work here. Like his other entries, it's XP centric so anyone with XP should definitely check this out.
Originality: 4
Usability: 6
Overall: 6
SilverShark by J.max is a unique concept with good file type support. I am not sur ehow usable it is, at smaller sizes, they are hard to discern but it's defintely a highly original effort.
Originality: 8
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Simple by Wangzhijun is a fairly traditional XP icon package. It's a good effort but could use more art direction to provide a more consistent theme to help it stand out from the others. A good work overall.
Originality: 3
Usability: 5
Overall: 5
Simple Life by Ruyimao is a traditional XP centric icon package. A lack of distinctive icons keeps it from being as competitive as it could be.
Originality: 3
Usability: 5
Overall: 4
SketchX by Delacro is an interesting XP package that is worth checking out.
Originality: 4
Usability: 2
Overall: 3
Sky and Technology ProRed by bloody is a fun XP theme that has some neat ideas. The main problem is the lack of distinction between the icons lowers usability substantially and there aren't enough icons to make it competitive with the other entries. Art quality is good, however.
Originality: 4
Usability: 2
Overall: 3
Slantwise is a pretty decent icon package from henrysky. The icons work well at both small and large sizes and it supports live folders on Vista.
Originality: 6
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
FLASH BACK: Local Flavor from the 2004 GUI Championships. How would it do today? Originality: 10 Usability: 8 Overall: 9 Bear in mind, this is from four years ago. |
Star by Suskey is a very original and beautiful icon package for Windows XP. File type support is a little bit on the light side which is unfortunate since any time you have something that is this radical, you want to have as many files as possible taken care of.
Originality: 8
Usability: 4
Overall: 6
Suskey is a little more traditional than his other theme "Star". It's also considerably more complete and has an icon style that would allow users to extend it to Vista on their own. No live folder support but it is a very cool icon package.
Originality: 6
Usability: 6
Overall: 6
Tang Dynasty by OMEGA features some truly outstanding arwork. The Computer short-cut for instant is a true work of art. But as an icon package, it's not ideal. The lack of shape distinctions means it is hard to differentiate icons from one another when they are smaller and the file type support is spotty and largely derivative. This is an example where one needs to run the icon package and not go by the screenshot. Great artwork but would have done better with some UI help. XP only.
Originality: 6
Usability: 3
Overall: 4
Tangram by PengLoooming is a very interesting concept that makes use of colors in a pretty unique way. Unfortunately, the folder design is so noisy that they are distracting and there is a lack of variation. Still a very good effort.
Originality: 6
Usability: 2
Overall: 3
The Magic Space by Sean King is one of my favorite XP-centric themes of the contest. The icons are bold and look good both small and large. There is quite a bit of work to make different file types stand out from one another. I do wish there were more file types and I wish there was Vista support as these icons would really shine there I think.
Originality: 7
Usability: 8
Overall: 7
The Stone Age by JasperLiu is a wonderful icon package. With the right wallpaper in particular, these would be just amazing. Good file type support, consistent design and a good blend of UI design and art skill make this one of the best XP centric themes in the contest.
Originality: 9
Usability: 8
Overall: 8
PRO THEME SPOT LIGHT: Dragon So how do these entries compare to the pro themes created by Stardock Design. I looked at Dragon. So how does it compare? Very complete XP and Vista support. Good, though not great file type support (no Office 2003 or Office 2007 support, no .reg file support, etc.) But in terms of something that is original and can actually be used, Dragon is hard to beat. Originality: 10 Usability: 9 Overall: 9 |
Toy by Kingyo is fantastic. This is the fourth GUI Championships I believe and this is the first time someone has made an icon package based on a toy theme I believe. It seems obvious in hindsight and yet here we are.
Definitely one of the best icon packages submitted. It's clean, it makes good use of colors. It's not just got a really cool theme but it carries it out very well. It has somewhat limited file type support but it supports XP and Vista very well.
Originality: 10
Usability: 10
Overall: 10
Toy Factory by Silencemira has the misfortune of being in the contest at the same time as Toy which allegedly has a similar theme. I say allegedly because as nice as the artwork is on this theme, there's nothing "toy factory-ish" about it. It's a pretty traditional icon design overall. It also suffers from too many similar shaped icons making them hard to discern when they are 16x16.
Originality: 4
Usability: 3
Overall: 3
Weird Creature by Edwin is a very good XP-centric theme that is original and pleasing to the eye. It has very limited file type support, no Vista support but is fairly complete for XP users other than the lack of file type icons which is pretty jarring since the theme is dramatically different than the default XP look. That said, an enhanced version of this theme with more icons would likely be in the finals and the originality of this is still good enough that I could see it make it into the finals.
Originality: 9
Usability: 3
Overall: 6
Late Additions (ones I missed originally)
CaicaiWendy by Wendy (Penguin) is a very original take on icon design. It's very interesting to look at. XP only. Very limited file support.
Originality: 6
Usability: 2
Overall: 4
Tea Life 2 by OnLing is a very original concept for Windows XP that has terrific art, very good file type support, and is reasonably complete. I like this one better than most of them by the sheer subtlety of the design. The short-cut and sharing overlays, however, are much too large (not pictured here).
Originality: 8
Usability: 4
Overall: 7
Duqi by Doo and Jen (On the road) is a really creative XP icon package. Like many of the icon packages in the contest, the name of the package when you're running it (duqi) doesn't match the uploaded file name.
The art quality is very good and the icons do a good job matching what they're supposed to represent (a lot of these might as well be just clip art thrown together but at least these do a good job matching). Pretty limited file type support. Good XP Start menu support.
Originality: 8
Usability: 4
Overall: 6
IconManiac by Lifelens is an interesting concept for XP. The elements of it don't really match as well as they could. I could almost imagine this as clipart that was put together to form icons based remotely on what they represent. When they're small, they're very hard to read. But the art style is very nice and it's a good effort.
Originality: 6
Usability: 3
Overall: 5
Plump by Zerode is a very good icon package that sticks to its theme well. One thing I really want to stress to users when they're voting on these and looking at screenshots is that these are supposed to be icons - not clipart. While one can imagine a really beautiful looking rendered image of a computer or of a recycle bin, the question is, do these elements go together? This is an example of one that goes together very well.
It has Live Folders for Vista though it doesn't have full support for the Vista folders. The icons look good at large and small size. This is one of the best icon packages of the contest.
Originality: 6
Usability: 9
Overall: 9
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MORE icon packages that I initially missed
Yuuminco by dReamxis is a pretty good effort with nice file type support. It supports Vistavery well.
Originality: 7
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Budha in my heart (Fo) is a very good XP effort that is very original. It does seem like it is a little light on the color palette (like it uses fewer colors than it should) but it is very good.
Originality: 9
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
Easy to Use by Kendy is a nice design that's fairly traditional but has very good art direction. XP only.
Originality: 4
Usability: 7
Overall: 6
Fight is a very creative concept that isn't terribly usable nor does it support XP. But the creativity and art quality is top notch.
Originality: 7
Usability: 2
Overall: 5
One Piece is one of the better icon package designs in the contest. Fantastic file type support, complete XP support but no Vista support. Great work though.
Originality: 6
Usability: 9
Overall: 9
The Magic Space is an outstanding XP centric icon package that adheres to its theme very well. Highly original. I wish it supported Vista but a must-have for XP users.
Originality: 9
Usability: 7
Overall: 8
And to finish up...
NightLit3 is a very good effort that in the right circumstances (right wallpaper in partiular) is very compelling.
Originality: 8
Usability: 7
Overall: 7
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Some final thoughts...
First, I want to say how impressive the icon packages are this time. A lot of our contestants are coming from China and they really know how to create some wonderful icons over there because there are some beautiful works here.
To everyone who participated, thank you very much. I am only one of the three judges and we only decide who makes it into the finals, the users decide who actually wins but I think there are some icons that really do stand out amongst this impressive field.
Suggestions for the future...
First, IconPackager 5 needs to support more options on Windows Live folders. I don't know how we'll do it but it's a must really as the current setup is too limiting to icon artists.
Second, I was really surprised at how many icon packages didn't support Vista. Some of the XP only icon packages were so good that they made up for not having a Vista version but it still surprised me given how long Vista has been out now.
Third, I was also surprised that not one package supported changing the Vista Control Panel icons. A few of them changed the classic (mostly XP) icons but still, an opportunity lost I think.
Fourth, a suggestion: I think most people running Windows these days have Office installed. I was surprised at how few of the icon packages change the Office icons (2003 or 2007).
Fifth, as cool as large icons are for showing off ones prowess, making icons also involves graphics design. A great big icon may look weird or unintelligible at 16x16:
(Weird Creature actually had better than average 16x16 icons compared to Plastic Fantastic which doesn't just look great large but is very crisp at 16x16)
Sixth, Photoshop, Illustrator, and Corel Draw I think are starting to see their final days as the tools of choice. The icons being made in 3D Studio, Maya and other 3D programs tend to look a lot better I think.
Seventh, PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT judge skins or icons based on the contestant's provided screen shot. Use the ones in this article or better yet, download them and try them for yourself.
Eighth, I'm still surprised how many ugly icons Microsoft still has in Windows Vista. Thank you to icon designers from around the world for taking a good shot at making icons that in many cases surpass what Microsoft produced.
Reply #62 Monday, December 8, 2008 12:07 AM
I'm not a skinner but it seems obvious to me that if you want to win you should:
- Skin everything you can
- skin it well
- be consistant within your theme
- skin for differetn sizes
If an artist didn't skin everythign they could . . . . they knew that and they should have known it would count against them.
Reply #63 Monday, December 8, 2008 12:42 AM
agree. they have made fantastic set, im sure they know how to make live folder & they will if its part of the RULE, not forum threads cuz not everyone read threads.
Reply #64 Monday, December 8, 2008 3:40 AM
When the vast majority of PC users are still on XP, 20% does seem a bit harsh to me.(seems like Vista is becoming more like an Apple OS in that it's more of a religion than an OS to some people, jeez) Especially with all the comments about the details not being in the rules. I mean with the amount of effort a lot of people have put into these, saying we are going to penalize you 20% because you didn't include a few icons from a version of the OS few people are actually using(especially in other parts of the world), doesn't seem like the best way to encourage people to continue to be a part of this. Not to mention that if the artist is not using Vista, then they also are not familiar with the context of said icon which makes creating something fitting and not random a bit more difficult for them.
My angle? A very selfish one. I'm not a skinner my angle is simply this, if artist's are going to get discouraged by being penalized on some minor technicality and not make more icons, in the end that's less awesome icons/skins I can use.
I can respect that judges all of have their own scoring systems, but I also think those systems should be reasonable and balanced.(20% is neither in my opinion).
Reply #65 Monday, December 8, 2008 7:40 AM
You make a good point Jeffrey but there has to be losers for there to be winners. This isn't 6 year old T-ball.
I think it is the use of the word "penalty" that that is bothering some. We are adults. No lessons of esteem are to be taught.
Reply #66 Monday, December 8, 2008 8:47 AM
"Third, I was also surprised that not one package supported changing the Vista Control Panel icons. A few of them changed the classic (mostly XP) icons but still, an opportunity lost I think."
My theme changes 100% of the Vista control panel icons supported by IconPackager, they are almost 40 additional icons just for that porpouse. I even stated that in my theme´s description.
Reply #67 Monday, December 8, 2008 9:52 AM
Control panels icons have to be manually slected in Icon packager but they don't change. I thought it was a Vista/ Iconpackager thing/ bug.
Reply #68 Monday, December 8, 2008 10:48 AM
I'm a true believer in skinning every last icon. It's always a disappointment for me when somebody left a bunch of ugly Windows icons untouched. I grumble every time I have to look at them, but I use the package nonetheless, because what's there is so pleasing to the eye that it makes up for it. That's what should be the main factor in judging. I support deducting something for the lack of quantity, just not 20 per cent. All of us, skinners and harvesters alike, are in this to make every square inch of our desktops look as good as possible, so let that be paramount in judging.
In the future, if quantity is deemed to be worthy of 20 per cent of the score, please make sure that that is at least attached to the rules, if not part of them. It can't be vague, or "just understood", or just in forums. I think that would ensure that skinners did them all, and we would all be happier with that.
Reply #69 Monday, December 8, 2008 11:21 AM
Reply #70 Monday, December 8, 2008 12:31 PM
The technical requirements for the competition represent the MINIMUM NEEDED TO ENTER.
Those who just put in the minimum bits will not do as well as those who go the extra mile. This competition not only tests the artistic talents of those entering, but their technical skills and their attention to detail and desire to go above and beyond to truely excell.
Many skinners put in live folders, many skinned 90+ icons. They weren't told anything different or special. They chose to go the extra mile for the event.
Lets look at figure skating in the olympics. You are not required to do any special moves. You could just skate in a circle and be done with it. However you will not do as well if you don't try the hard stuff, if you don't stretch beyond the minimum requirements.
We are trying to find the best skinners in the world in this competition. And a part of that is going above and beyond what is minimally required.
Reply #71 Monday, December 8, 2008 12:43 PM
I swear, sometimes I think some people are just looking for a reason to bitch.
not true.
what im saying is it will be much better to let the artists know all the criteria BEFORE they upload their skins, NOT when the judging process starting
So where is your icon package then?
Reply #72 Monday, December 8, 2008 12:48 PM
Another point on the whole vista, number of icons, number of filetypes supported issue...
Lets say there are only 10 icon sets submitted.
6 of those include live folders.
4 of them don't.
Those 6 artists put in additional effort to make their entry BETTER. Should we ignore that extra effort to make a better overall icon pack?
Reply #73 Monday, December 8, 2008 12:49 PM
For crying out loud, it's not about quantity. It's about supporting the curreent version of Windows. Good gravy, man. How about some common sense: If your icon package is basically useless for 25%+ of the userbase, then yea, you're going to take a hit.
Each judge is going to have their own criteria on what matters. I stated what mattered to me.
Now, in every past contest we've done, the users picked the finalists. You think most of them did anything more than look at the skinner-provided screenshot? I think not.
Reply #74 Monday, December 8, 2008 1:58 PM
Just so everyone knows how I'm judging:
Usability:
- I value readability highly. A usable icon set for me is one I can quickly scan to figure out what files and folders are in front of me. I don't want to be confused between a word document and an aspx file. If I'm running at medium/small size, can I still tell what they are?
- Does it cover the major items on my desktop? Common filetypes, folders (live folders are also a consideration). Do I end up with a lot of default icons, or blank ones?
Originality:
- A new way to approach icons and their design. This includes differing art styles, or particularly interesting ways to reimagine regular icons.
- Is it art, or is it an icon? You can do really awesome pieces of art, but if it's not really an icon (i.e. it doesn't represent anything recognizable) I'm not going to regard it as an original icon, I'll regard it as original art, which isn't what this contest is about.
Overall:
- Combine the usable with the original. Truely great icon sets are both very usable and unique in their design and approach. The previous two influence this score.
- Personal feeling on the package. If an icon pack really speaks to me or catches my imagination I'll give it a boost here. Because an icon set can be technically perfect, and have a unique look, but not excite me or encourage me to use it. This is the nebulous "it" factor. An icon either has "It" or it doesn't.
Reply #75 Monday, December 8, 2008 2:22 PM
Reply #77 Monday, December 8, 2008 8:38 PM
Zoomba I think those are great criteria. I especially agree with the focus on function vs. art.
Frogboy, we know you love Vista, we get it, we really do. 25%+? Really? Maybe Stardock customers as I don't have those numbers, but 1 in 10 people I know, if that, are on Vista(and generally that's because they didn't really have a choice) and I work in IT, granted in Japan so my numbers maybe skewed but 25% seems to be pushing it a bit.(web stats show closer to 15%) Not to mention the fact that saying the icon package is "basically useless" because it doesn't contain a couple of Vista icons is overstating things a bit.
Also, what's up with the "So where is your icon package then? " dig on 1nsomn1ac? My guess is that the majority of the customers are not actually designers/skinners, and their opinion means nothing? Customers opinions aren't valued, or aren't important, or is that they are simply not tolerated if they differ from yours? Give me a break. This is the kind of elitism that hardly seems to be very helpful, if you don't wan't people who aren't skinners commenting, lock us out. However IMHO, a wide variety of differing opinions would actually help Stardock, a) figure out what their customers feel is important, better focus their products on customers needs/wishes. I can understand not wanting non constuctive comments like "that sucks", but comments that are simply plainly stating that they disagree and why and how they disagree, seem like the kind of comments that should be welcomed not swept to the side because they weren't made by a member who is part of an elite subsection of the community. Debate should be looked at as a good thing, as it tends to improve things when one's mind is open to different opinions.
Reply #78 Monday, December 8, 2008 8:46 PM
No, Jeff, if you're not a skinner then I'm not terribly interested in your opinions on the judging criteria. You are certainly free to start your own contest though. The users get to vote on the ones that actually win.
It's one thing to have a suggestion but repeated complaints about this or that. I'm all over constructive criticism or suggestions. That's great. But complaining that we're marking down for not supporting the current version of Windows is ridiculous.
It's not that I love Vista. It's that it's the current version of Windows and that 25% of the people running Windows are running that version. If a skin didn't support XP, I would mark down for that (and did).
Again: Commenting or constructive criticism is fine. People are free to disagree. Multiple comments reasserting the same thing aren't helpful and not welcome.
Also, don't play the "customer" card. My view is that if you're a whiner, don't buy our stuff. And whiney people should tell their whiney friends and so forth to not buy our stuff. Does that make things clearer? I don't think most people who hang out on these forums would ever say I have a thin skin. I just don't have much tolerance for whining.
Reply #80 Monday, December 8, 2008 10:05 PM
so, if the skins don't support the Vista, they will get a low points?
some of skins got a high level which just support Vista, do you notice they really rough? do you consider the detail of icons?
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