Object Desktop: Status Report 2011

Friday, September 2, 2011 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

Greetings! Long time no see!

So what’s going on with Object Desktop these days?  The answer: A lot. Much of what we’ve worked on for the past year hasn’t gotten communicated very well to our consumers and I apologize for that. 

As some of you may know, we sold Impulse to Gamestop last year.  A lot of people couldn’t believe that we would sell our most profitable business unit. But I suspect some of you will understand why.  It was consuming us.  In another year, Stardock would have been Impulse and little else.  And if money were the only purpose in life, maybe that would be a good thing.  But Stardockians want to make cool stuff, not put all our time into selling other people’s stuff no matter how cool it is.

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This past year

That isn’t to say we haven’t been able to release some really cool stuff in the past couple of years.  Fences was recently regarded as the “best. program. ever.” by CNET. WindowFX 4, DeskScapes 3 upped the ante and while not part of Object Desktop, ObjectDock 2 came out this past year. And there have been updates to WindowBlinds, SkinStudio, IconPackager and Theme Manager in recent times to keep building on their success.

The cost of compatibility

At this stage in the development of desktop enhancements, we have to make some tough choices.  The #1 slow down to our development cycles has been trying to get things to run on Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows Vista 64, Windows 7, and Windows 7 64.  And we are already developing for Windows 8 as well which is, in itself, a pretty significant departure.

So on the one hand, customers want new stuff and lots of updates but on the other hand they want their OS supported and we just don’t have the manpower to do that.  Back in the Windows XP days, we could crank out a ton of cool stuff.  Now, we have to worry about whether certain system DLLs will be available on Windows 7 “Ultimate” vs. Windows 7 “Home” or whether they were taken out entirely after Windows Vista Business.  Desktop Enhancements: Fun times.

Of course, in the old days, I was around to keep everyone in the loop on this stuff. For a lot of our long-time customers, it’s not the slow down in new programs but the lack of communication. Hence, the hidden cost of the focus on Impulse for the last couple of years.

Where we are now

So let’s talk about what’s happening NOW

Tiles

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Our most radical new program is called Tiles. There’s an early beta of it on Object Desktop right now. It’s designed to enable users to manage their tasks in “pages” of tiles that represent what they’re currently working on or will be working on.

In the old days, we made virtual desktops. That made sense when we were all running on individual, low resolution monitors.  But today and into the future, high resolution, multiple monitor setups are how power users work and what they need are things that let them make full use of that.  That is the purpose of Tiles.

Carousel

In a similar vein, we’re working on a new program that will let you more effectively switch between running tasks via your keyboard.  Microsoft and Apple have each tried their hand with this but we have felt they spent too much effort in making it demo well versus being a practical tool.  And let’s face it, Alt-Tab is starting to get pretty long in the tooth.

WindowFX 5

WindowFX 4 was a significant departure from the old “special effects” concept of WindowFX.  That was because on Windows Vista, all those cool DWM effects were not hardware accelerated (Microsoft wasn’t hardware accelerating a lot of things in Windows Vista and had deprecated GDI+ and at first had removed hardware acceleration).  But in more recent times, hardware acceleration has returned, particularly in Windows 7’s DWM.  This has meant we can start adding lots of cool effects.

DeskScapes 4

DeskScapes is continuing to evolve as we prepare for the day of letting pretty much everyone make their own dynamic content for it.  The idea is to make it so that the desktop background isn’t limited to being pretty but can be made into a useful area.

WindowBlinds / SkinStudio

There’s not a lot to tell (publicly anyway) as a lot of work involved with Windows 8 that we can’t discuss.

Fences

There’s been screenshots of Fences 2 floating around. We have no ETAs on it yet as seeing what is (and isn’t) doable on Windows 8 is taking up some time.  But there’s a lot of interesting new features in the works including letting users define a directory as a Fence as well as having Fence “pages”.

IconPackager

We’ve had a hard time with Windows 7 folders and we’re not sure if this is going to be cured in Windows 8.  If it’s not, we may make changing the default folders of Windows 7/Windows 8 become a “hidden” (i.e. off by default, unsupported) feature.

imageProgram X

Not so much a secret but rather we haven’t come up with a name for it yet. It’s a program for skinning the new Windows 8 immersion UI.

Program Y

Same thing, not secret but a program that takes some of the non “FX” parts of WindowFX and graduates them to their own program.

DesktopX

I don’t have a lot of good news to report on this.  The effort in making it work well on all these versions of Windows is not going well at all.  We are still deciding its future.

Theme Manager

Theme Manager 4 has become our preferred method of applying suites.  We killed MyColors entirely.  So over the coming months you’ll see a lot of of the MyColors themes become Theme Manager .suite files.

CursorFX 3

We are looking at updating CursorFX to support the DWM but it is still in the planning stages as we’re not sure the demand vs. cost of this yet.

SoundPackager 2

This is more an area where we need to bring in more developers.  We’re hiring btw. Smile  If you’re a great developer you can even work from remote.

Tweak 8

Just waiting for Windows 8…

Legacy Programs

Some… a lot of programs are not going to make the cut.  One decision we have made is that if we can’t make it work on Windows 8, it’s dead. That doesn’t mean we won’t still have it available but we won’t be doing updates for it anymore.  Another decision is that we will be ending support for Windows XP pretty soon. We haven’t decided a date but what it means is that after that date, we won’t be testing on Windows XP anymore on new releases. So a program may work…or it may not.  The same is true with Windows Vista.  It’s absolutely murdering us trying to support all these OSes.

So let’s look at the programs that won’t be getting love:

RightClick, TweakVista, Virtual Desktops, LogonStudio, BootSkin, MyColors, ObjectBar, Keyboard LaunchPad.  They’re still available but we won’t be supporting or updating them.

GUI Championships

There will be a GUI Championships in 2012

WinCustomize 2012

There will be a revamp to WinCustomize 2012.  It will be more evolutionary than revolutionary. The main area will be performance and new features rather than a whole new look or something.

So that’s where we’re at.

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gmknobl
Reply #41 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:08 PM

My advice is this: concentrate on making all things work on Windows 7 - both 32 and 64 versions as much as possible.  Don't bother with Vista and XP, two programs that are either non-supported or weren't bought in significant numbers to be supported by other programs.  Windows 8 will either be complete hit or miss, much like Vista (miss).  I suspect miss if it looks anything like what they have shown so far.  Yes, you can make programs that will work on that but concentrate on it secondarily to support for Win7 64/32.  I really suspect Win 8 won't be such a great os; companies won't be rushing to use it unless it is a phone/mobile os primarily.  Dell and all will push whatever M$ tells them but this won't make it a happy toy for the rest of us and many places will avoid it like the plague if it's at all like Vista OR if it's a complete GUI change.  By the way, I use 7/64 with two or three monitors depending on where I'm at, either office or home.  My resolution is pretty high too - 1920x1080 for each monitor, so aim your programs at multi-hd monitor support AND look at getting out some wallpapers to worth with this too.

Gee, I hope java is not the base for new Win 8 development as one respondant suggested. 

As for Desktop X, maybe you can rename it but a complete skinning redo of the GUI is what X is suppose to offer so I think you should keep a program like this.  If the basis for development is legacy then use the new stuff in 7, develop with that and drop support for the legacy stuff, rename the program but make it clear that this is to replace X on 7 and 8.  I really thing that, even if it's tough to use effectively at times, it's still the only thing that can completely make over your desktop so don't get rid of it, whatever you end up calling the program that can do this.  This plus windowblinds are what got me enthused enough to purchase O.D. in the first place.  You need an X type product.

LogonStudio going away?  The only reason I can think of for this is if there is not way to log on as we traditionally think of it.  And as long as there will be multi-user computers, this will not likely change.  The alternative is to have each program available all the time but prompt the user to enter their credentials when run thus cutting down on functionality, denying or allowing full use.  That's rather unix like but even they have someone log in.  Skin the log in section.  You should have a program for this.

Bravo for going back to suites!  What were you guys thinking with MyColors anyway (rhetorical)?  You can improve suites by making sure submissions follow all the rules for the individual sections, whether that's by extension name (hopefully not), using something unique or allow for multiple file type support.  Of course, who knows if 8 will continue to use file types?  (It's M$ - they'll even have legacy 8-bit code somewhere.

I'd like to see better weather widget tools but I think that's not a Stardock issue.  Few tools here are unique, changing the look but not the feel so much, nor the functionality - i like updates at least every hour and very detailed weather info and graphics, like Xav73 did on his tools.  Again, this should be someone else rather than this post but it's on my mind.

 

 

Phoon
Reply #42 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:42 PM

gmknobl
I'd like to see better weather widget tools but I think that's not a Stardock issue. 

Funny about most of the Widgets here. They are pretty much all a variable of DesktopX scripts that Martin and a couple other people wrote. People have just made new graphics. 

That's another problem with DesktopX. It's a great tool but there are too few people using it that actually know how to do coding for the neat stuff. Calendars and Weather, there are a bazillion flavors of them. DX is a HUGE risk for justifying more expense on IMO.

Philly0381
Reply #43 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 2:03 PM

Quoting gmknobl, reply 41I'd like to see better weather widget tools but I think that's not a Stardock issue. 

Funny about most of the Widgets here. They are pretty much all a variable of DesktopX scripts that Martin and a couple other people wrote. People have just made new graphics. 

That's another problem with DesktopX. It's a great tool but there are too few people using it that actually know how to do coding for the neat stuff. Calendars and Weather, there are a bazillion flavors of them. DX is a HUGE risk for justifying more expense on IMO.

The computer has come a long way with a lot of things being done for the user so that they don't have to learn or do coding versus when the home computer was the new toy, as it were, in the house. 

In DX, once the code is done for a particular option or function, like weather, how often does it need to be updated?  Weather widgets or gadgets are done that show the information in different ways, granted it is the same information. 

What we can say is that DX has the capability to do much more, it is unfortunate that these capabilities have not been fully explored.  Now with the approaching release of Windows 8 this may never happen. 

New OS always seem to kick some stuff to the curb. 

Just my personal feelings.

Wizard1956
Reply #44 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 2:20 PM

Philly0381
New OS always seem to kick some stuff to the curb.

I'm still blaming UAC, not the rest of the OS. Getting things (like DX) to work with it on seems to be a bottleneck. If MS wants to improve upon Windows7 they need to get rid of it, imho.

Phoon
Reply #45 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:06 PM

Wizard1956
If MS wants to improve upon Windows7 they need to get rid of it, imho.

Too many stupid people falling for Nigerian wealth scams etc to allow that. You can't fight stupid.

Phoon
Reply #46 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:13 PM

Philly0381
What we can say is that DX has the capability to do much more, it is unfortunate that these capabilities have not been fully explored. 

Here's another perspective.

You don't NEED to do any scripting at all to make fantastic DX themes. We made some pretty damn cool stuff before the ability to script was put in. Either people forgot how or they just aren't interested in learning the application anymore. I dunno. I just don't see it surviving.

Island Dog
Reply #47 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:44 PM


Quoting Philly0381, reply 43What we can say is that DX has the capability to do much more, it is unfortunate that these capabilities have not been fully explored. 

Here's another perspective.

You don't NEED to do any scripting at all to make fantastic DX themes. We made some pretty damn cool stuff before the ability to script was put in. Either people forgot how or they just aren't interested in learning the application anymore. I dunno. I just don't see it surviving.

I would love to know statistics on how people actually use DesktopX.

 

Philly0381
Reply #48 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:50 PM

ID you bring up a good point, are folks using DX to do things for their own personal use and not uploading them. 

RedneckDude
Reply #49 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:53 PM

You don't NEED to do any scripting at all to make fantastic DX themes.

You do now because the addition of UAC hampers the old dx plugins. This is why Brad is concerned with the future of DX.

 

 

Island Dog
I would love to know statistics on how people actually use DesktopX.

I use it to replace Object Dock, winstep, any launcher you can name. I use DX to access my shortcuts, browser, even WC.

It would be easier to list what I don't use DX for.

 

When I have a DX theme running, which is 24-7, I don't need the windows start menu, Object Desktop, windows media player, rainlendar, etc. I don't need system monitoring apps, weather sites, etc.

Wizard1956
Reply #50 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 4:23 PM

I use it alongside Winstep and I find the meter functions in DX lacking so I do run sidebar gadgets for GPU and CPU monitoring . Otherwise, what the Redneck said applies to me as well.

 

Phoon
Reply #51 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 4:41 PM

RedneckDude
You do now because the addition of UAC hampers the old dx plugins.

not entirely accurate.

some of the "plugins" don't work but most of the Object Types still work. The system information plugin works, the email notifier works, the performance meters are somewhat borked, etc. But the basic tools that made DX great are still there and they still function. People just have forgotten or never knew how to use them. Also, lets not forget one of the greatest tools that DX has, Aniutil!

sViz
Reply #52 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 4:49 PM

You don't NEED to do any scripting at all to make fantastic DX themes.

This is true. DX can do a lot without scripts.

 

I would love to know statistics on how people actually use DesktopX.

Ditto.

 

ID you bring up a good point, are folks using DX to do things for their own personal use and not uploading them. 

All the time. That's why I love the program, because I can make little single-task scripts and package them in a nice-looking interface without much hassle. But, I doubt anyone would have much use for a Pick A Number Between... widget. If I'm running a DXtheme, it's usually one I'm building.

I sure hope DesktopX still has a future; there's nothing else quite like it.

RedneckDude
Reply #53 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:17 PM

This is true. DX can do a lot without scripts.

But not fantastic things, unless I'm missing something.

 

If I'm running a DXtheme, it's usually one I'm building.

I sure hope DesktopX still has a future; there's nothing else quite like it.

 

Ditto.

willistuder
Reply #54 Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:50 PM

I haven't got a clue how to make anything with DesktopX, but I use it all the time. As long as it still functions on Windows 7, and it's not economically justified to do a serious makeover, how about just keeping it alive by fixing what appear to be small problems in 3.5? The tools are marvellous.

Phoon
Reply #55 Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:03 AM

RedneckDude
But not fantastic things, unless I'm missing something.

I would suggest you go back in to the depths of the DesktopX gallery and look and the old stuff. We weren't using scripts then.

The biggest things that have been in desktopX themes that REQUIRE scripts are Calendars and Weather. I can live without them myself.

RedneckDude
Reply #56 Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:39 AM

Phoon, are you using XP?

Anakey
Reply #57 Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:42 PM

Although i myself have only made 1 widget in DX it has been the most fun i have had out of any of the stardock programs, yes the scripts were not new but i spent many days making improvements to what i had, there would always be something else that i could put on it. I should think it wouldn't take much to fix some of the bugs in the current version then leave it as that

Phoon
Reply #58 Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:44 PM

No, I'm using 7 x64 and I cranked UAC up just for the heck of it.

Note - I have not tried many OLD themes lately but I was able to create some new items noted in #51 and they worked fine. DX 3.5 - Not Pro.

RedneckDude
Reply #59 Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:25 PM

The only thing I have tried lately that didn't work was the email notifier. It tells me I have mail when I don't...lol.

 

DX, to my knowledge, without scripting or with, for that matter, hasn't the ability to auto detect 4 + cores. Many sidebar gadgets can. I'd love to see that done.

I'll look at some of the older things in the gallery, but I have to say I haven't seen anything fantastic done without script, ever. I guess what I think of as fantastic may not be what others see as fantastic.

 

If I'm wrong, I'd love to be shown.

Phoon
Reply #60 Wednesday, September 7, 2011 3:25 PM

RedneckDude
I guess what I think of as fantastic may not be what others see as fantastic.

That is quite true.

Here is a good example. You see, Redneck may find this to be fantastic:

Where I on the other hand would find those chairs to be a tad uncomfortable.

 

  Git-er-done!

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