Skins, flames, and 'tude

Criticism or advice?

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 by Jafo | Discussion: Skinning

Something prompted by a recent upload....probably worthy of a general post.....

Just a 'gentle reminder'..skinning started long before XP came along.  It has always been a personal process.  Someone who 'could do it' 'would do it'.  Then, they may, or may not subsequently choose to share it with others and upload it.

Because they were 'personal creations' they may suit the author admirably, with or without 'issues' that others may perceive on their own systems.

[Case in point...my WB skins were all designed for Litestep and, to the XP Explorer shell user they are not just 'buggy', they are very incomplete....yet on an LS system they work just fine.]

When suggesting there are errors, etc...and the author remarks 'I don't use IE so it doesn't affect me'...you are left with 2 options.  Either adjust it yourself, or POLITELY suggest it could benefit with/from amendments.

There really are only two rules to remember.

1. The skins are given freely...appreciate that.

and

2. Fellow site members deserve consideration and respect.

Remember...skinning is supposed to be fun.  There IS no room for 'attitude'....

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Double Zero
Reply #21 Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:25 PM
Lots of things get written that would never be spoken in the subject's presence



LoL..I guess I am the *exact opposite of that.. I mind my P's & Q's moreso when on the web than I do "face to face" and I admit that at times I would relish the opportunity to be "face to face" with certain individuals so I could express myself without regard for things such as ToS's. I have never been shy about telling anyone *exactly what I thought and personally feel it is healthier to do so...
I do so despise those that feel the need to "nitpick" someone behind their back because they do not have the fortitude to stand up and say it to the person face to face..
The web has actually taught me a bit of restraint and caused me to seek new ways to express myself without stepping on toes that should not be invovled to begin with..

But I agree, there are alot of people that use the medium to hide behind and say whatever they will simply because they do not have to face the same reprocussions that they would in "real life" or "face to face" if you will... it's a shame.

Fortunately Jafo and all who work here at WC strive to keep the site at least "civil" in this regard and I thank all of them for it.

Zero.
Elesarr
Reply #22 Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:41 PM
I am like Zero - I tend to be more aware of what I say and how I say it when on the Internet or Emailing...Zero accused me of being "too damn nice" the other day Of course, in a face to face I have a little less restraint in what I say and make it very clear how I feel - something I am working on - while it is good to express onesself, there are ways to do it that are not so confrontational....

Even though I am not personally a skinner, I can relate to feedback from a design point of view for web UIs, and while I appreciate all feedback I do not have to agree with it all. The person offering me the feedback is unknown to me, doesn't owe me anything, and doesn't know anything about me: why should I be upset because s/he didn't like something I made? We all like to get positive feedback and told that we are doing a great job and that our "work" rocks, but that isn't always going to happen - gods know I have turned out some really crappy stuff in my day that I thought was the bomb ::sigh:: I learned from people telling me the stuff I did was crappy and then helping me to learn how to make it better.

I guess what I am saying is let the nasty comments roll off your back there is no need to respond to them inkind and lower yourself to their level. Yes I agree with Jafo that one should use netiquette and one should be polite and positive, unfortunately we cannot control all the different types that come to places like WC, so we also need to look at oursleves and make sure that we are not "reactive" to a negative comment....

just my 2 cents...

Raymond
Shakey (the Original)
Reply #23 Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:41 PM
I've been into customization since the mid 90's, when it all started for me on a Mac Performa 410. When I moved to a PC in the late 90's, I was into the LiteStep scene until the early 00's and then finally here with OD. One thing that I have seen stay constant in all that time is the 'attitude' on both sides of the fence, the new-comers and the more established members as well. There seems to be a sense of arrogance on the Internet that would best be left on the other side of the keyboard.
Jafo
Reply #24 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:26 AM

Ah....'duality'.......

 

Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armour?
Joker: A peace symbol, sir.
Colonel: Where'd you get it?
Joker: I don't remember, sir.
Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet?
Joker: "Born to Kill", sir.
Colonel: You write "Born to Kill" on you helmet, and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?
Joker: No, sir.
Colonel: Well what is it supposed to mean?
Joker: I don't know, sir.
Colonel: You don't know very much do you?
Joker: No, sir.
Colonel: You better get your head and your ass wired together or I will take a giant shit on you.
Joker: Yes, sir.
Colonel: Now answer my question, or you'll be standing tall before The Man.
Joker: I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man sir.
Colonel: The what?
Joker: The duality of man, the Jungian thing, sir.
Colonel: Who's side are you on, son?
Joker: Our side, sir.
Colonel: Don't you love your country?
Joker: Yes, sir.
Colonel: Well how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and c'mon in for the big win?
Joker: Yes, sir.
Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my Marines is for them to obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese because inside every gook, there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've got to try to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.
Joker: Aye aye, sir.

Studibaker
Reply #25 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:49 AM
If it aint constuctive then dont say it...if you dont like a particular skin or part of it then dont use it...very simple.Just be glad that its free.Plenty of skins that people would use and plenty that wouldnt be used at the end of the day regardless of what software is being used its a case of each to their own and we all have different taste's.Constructive is prefered to destructive comments on this site.
Studibaker
Reply #26 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:50 AM
Skinning is a fun pass time so lets keep it that way
BoXXi
Reply #27 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:20 PM
These are all nice sentiments, but we all know it ain't gonna happen. And one of the reasons I won't be sharing any more of MY skins.
Threi
Reply #28 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:28 PM
I agree with Jafo 99%, the 1% being that there is nothing wrong with dissagreement (cmon u guys know i disagree with u all the time ), but what is wrong is when disagreement turns to bitterness (Ive learned this - Its best to agree to disagree, and not be bitter about it)

So i hope you dont make a mistake i have made BoXXi
BoXXi
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:32 PM
I won't.....
Fairyy~
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:49 PM
Well so far a new skin has been out only long enough to generate 3 comments.

My..I like this..and thankyou

and 2...gee nice blind but I wouldnt use it.

So I doubt very much that either of the other 2 downloaded the blind...so how can you judge anything ?

whatever.

( ps: Im using the blind cos it IS my style )
Threi
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:25 PM
So I doubt very much that either of the other 2 downloaded the blind...so how can you judge anything ?



so um thats the 3rd comment? confuzzuled

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